Confusing Implicit Differentiation Problem

In summary, the conversation discusses the differentiation of a given equation and attempts to solve for y'. However, after multiplying and solving for y', the result does not match the correct response. It is then pointed out that the derivative should be 0, as confirmed by squaring both sides of the original equation.
  • #1
tmt1
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Hi,

I have

x =(x^2+y^2)^[1/2]

I differentiate

1= 1/2 (x^2+y^2)[-1/2] (2x+2yy')

So far so good. I try to multiply this out.

1= (2x)/2 (x^2+y^2)[-1/2] + (2yy'/2)(x^2+y^2)[-1/2]

I solve for y'

y'= 1/{(x (x^2+y^2)[-1/2]} / {y(x^2+y^2)[-1/2] }

1/x (x^2+y^2)[1/2] * 1/y (x^2+y^2)[1/2]

The square roots multiply out.

y'=(x^2+y^2)/xy

yet the correct response is

y'=[(x^2+y^2)^1/2 -x] / y

Am I missing something?

Thanks
 
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  • #2
I can't follow what you did after attempting to solve for $y'$.

We are given:

\(\displaystyle x=\left(x^2+y^2 \right)^{\frac{1}{2}}\)

Implicitly differentiating, we obtain:

\(\displaystyle 1=\frac{x+yy'}{\left(x^2+y^2 \right)^{\frac{1}{2}}}\)

or:

\(\displaystyle \left(x^2+y^2 \right)^{\frac{1}{2}}=x+yy'\)

Solve for $y'$:

\(\displaystyle y'=\frac{\left(x^2+y^2 \right)^{\frac{1}{2}}-x}{y}\)
 
  • #3
tmt said:
Hi,

I have

x =(x^2+y^2)^[1/2]

I differentiate

1= 1/2 (x^2+y^2)[-1/2] (2x+2yy')

So far so good. I try to multiply this out.

1= (2x)/2 (x^2+y^2)[-1/2] + (2yy'/2)(x^2+y^2)[-1/2]

I solve for y'

y'= 1/{(x (x^2+y^2)[-1/2]} / {y(x^2+y^2)[-1/2] }

1/x (x^2+y^2)[1/2] * 1/y (x^2+y^2)[1/2]

The square roots multiply out.

y'=(x^2+y^2)/xy

yet the correct response is

y'=[(x^2+y^2)^1/2 -x] / y

Am I missing something?

Thanks

Surely the derivative is 0. Don't believe me, square both sides of your original equation and see what you're left with...
 
  • #4
Prove It said:
Surely the derivative is 0. Don't believe me, square both sides of your original equation and see what you're left with...

Nice...I didn't catch that even though the numerator in the expression I derived is clearly zero via the original equation. (Smirk)
 

FAQ: Confusing Implicit Differentiation Problem

What is implicit differentiation?

Implicit differentiation is a method used to find the derivative of an equation that is written in implicit form, meaning that the dependent variable is not explicitly expressed in terms of the independent variable. It is often used when it is not possible or convenient to solve for the dependent variable.

What makes an implicit differentiation problem confusing?

Implicit differentiation problems can be confusing because they require you to use the chain rule and the product rule in addition to the basic rules of differentiation. The equations may also involve multiple variables, making it difficult to determine which variable to differentiate with respect to.

How do I know when to use implicit differentiation?

Implicit differentiation is typically used when there is an equation involving both the dependent and independent variables, and it is not possible or convenient to solve for the dependent variable. It is also used when the equation is in parametric form or when it is a transcendental function.

What are some tips for solving confusing implicit differentiation problems?

Some tips for solving confusing implicit differentiation problems include carefully identifying all of the variables in the equation, using the chain rule and product rule correctly, and simplifying the equation before attempting to differentiate. It can also be helpful to graph the equation to gain a better understanding of the relationship between the variables.

Are there any common mistakes to avoid when solving implicit differentiation problems?

Yes, some common mistakes to avoid when solving implicit differentiation problems include forgetting to use the chain rule or product rule, differentiating the wrong variable, and not simplifying the equation before differentiating. It is also important to check your final answer for correctness and to remember to include the derivative notation.

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