Conservation of Energy with changing masses on ice

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The discussion focuses on a physics problem involving two masses colliding on ice and the subsequent distance they slide due to kinetic friction. The initial kinetic energy of the moving mass is calculated to be 121J, and the forces of friction are identified as 31N for the first mass and 52.3N for both masses combined after the collision. Participants express confusion about how to set up the equations, particularly regarding the changing mass and whether to apply momentum or energy conservation principles. There is consensus that the collision is nonelastic, meaning kinetic energy is not conserved, and the question's ambiguity regarding the sliding distance is noted. The conversation emphasizes the importance of correctly applying physics equations to solve the problem.
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Homework Statement


Mass 1(75kg) glides on ice at 1.8 m/s to a second stationary mass, (52 kg) How far will the pair slide after the collision if the coefficient of kinetic friction between the ice and their skates is .042?

Homework Equations


Conservation of energy, Kinetic Energy, Work
Ek=1/2mv^2, W=FΔd, Ff=μk(Fn)

The Attempt at a Solution


I understand that all the initial energy (121J) is the moving object's kinetic energy and that the energy is conserved. I'm just confused how I would set up the equation given that the overall mass changes.
The force of friction for the first mass is 31N, and the force of friction for both masses is 52.3. I don't know how to factor this in.
I think this is a nonelastic collision, but please correct me if I'm wrong. Do I use Momentum? P=mΔv
 
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Nojins said:

Homework Statement


Mass 1(75kg) glides on ice at 1.8 m/s to a second stationary mass, (52 kg) How far will the pair slide after the collision if the coefficient of kinetic friction between the ice and their skates is .042?

Homework Equations


Conservation of energy, Kinetic Energy, Work
Ek=1/2mv^2, W=FΔd, Ff=μk(Fn)

The Attempt at a Solution


I understand that all the initial energy (121J) is the moving object's kinetic energy and that the energy is conserved. I'm just confused how I would set up the equation given that the overall mass changes.
The force of friction for the first mass is 31N, and the force of friction for both masses is 52.3. I don't know how to factor this in.
I think this is a nonelastic collision, but please correct me if I'm wrong. Do I use Momentum? P=mΔv
I think the question is ambiguous, too. Given that it asks how far the pair slides, I think the idea is that the pair of masses merges at the point of collision and they slide together.
Why don't you take a shot a solving it and see what happens?
 
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Nojins said:
that the energy is conserved.
Nojins said:
I think this is a nonelastic collision
So work is not conserved.
 
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The book claims the answer is that all the magnitudes are the same because "the gravitational force on the penguin is the same". I'm having trouble understanding this. I thought the buoyant force was equal to the weight of the fluid displaced. Weight depends on mass which depends on density. Therefore, due to the differing densities the buoyant force will be different in each case? Is this incorrect?

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