Conservation of Momentum, Question Regarding Force

Click For Summary
The discussion centers on the conservation of momentum and the forces involved during collisions. It explains that momentum conservation arises from Newton's Third Law, where forces between two colliding objects are equal and opposite. The conversation questions whether the force in a collision is the same as the normal force, concluding that it is not, as normal force only counteracts gravity in static situations. A scenario is presented to illustrate how to calculate momentum, emphasizing that total momentum is conserved regardless of individual object momentum changes. Understanding the nature of the collision is crucial for determining specific outcomes.
RoyalFlush100
Messages
56
Reaction score
2
So I read that the conservation of momentum is a result of:
F1=-F2 <Newton's Third Law
t1=t2 <Time in contact
Therefore:
F1*t1=-F2*t2

F=m(Δv/t)
Ft=mΔv

So we can conclude:
m1Δv1=-m2Δv2
Therefore momentum is conserved.

Now what force is this? Would it be the same normal force that exists when an object is sitting on a surface? I don't think that would make sense, because normal force simply counteracts other forces (such as gravity) when objects are in contact, yet an object moving in inertia wouldn't have any applied force, so it wouldn't be counteracting anything. So then, what is this force that opposes objects' motion as a collision occurs between masses?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
RoyalFlush100 said:
Now what force is this?
Any force between two objects.

RoyalFlush100 said:
because normal force simply counteracts other forces (such as gravity) when objects are in contact, yet an object moving in inertia wouldn't have any applied force, so it wouldn't be counteracting anything.
This is not true in general. You are probably thinking of a static situation.
 
Orodruin said:
Any force between two objects.This is not true in general. You are probably thinking of a static situation.
So say a scenario like this exists:
Object A is moving at 10 m/s towards Object B, while Object B is moving at 15 m/s towards Object A. Both objects have a mass of 1 kg.
How do we know what each object's individual momentum will be then? All the questions I was given in class had some info about at least one of the objects both before and after impact.

Would it depend on how long the contact occurred for? Like this, say contact lasted for 2 seconds:
(10-15)/2=-2.5 Newtons of force on object A, meaning:
-2.5=1*a
a=-2.5 m/s^2
That's applied for 2 seconds:
-2.5*2=-5, meaning object A will slow down to 5 m/s (10-5=5)
 
Last edited:
RoyalFlush100 said:
Would it depend on how long the contact occurred for?
Yes, that is precisely one of the two reasons that seatbelts and airbags save lives.
 
RoyalFlush100 said:
How do we know what each object's individual momentum will be then?
You dont, not without more information. What you do know is that total momentum is conserved. You will have to look at the particular nature of the collision (eg, elastic, completely inelastic, etc) to draw more conclusions.
 
For simple comparison, I think the same thought process can be followed as a block slides down a hill, - for block down hill, simple starting PE of mgh to final max KE 0.5mv^2 - comparing PE1 to max KE2 would result in finding the work friction did through the process. efficiency is just 100*KE2/PE1. If a mousetrap car travels along a flat surface, a starting PE of 0.5 k th^2 can be measured and maximum velocity of the car can also be measured. If energy efficiency is defined by...

Similar threads

  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
3K
  • · Replies 53 ·
2
Replies
53
Views
5K
  • · Replies 35 ·
2
Replies
35
Views
4K
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
1K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
5K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 60 ·
3
Replies
60
Views
5K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K