Convergent sequence and limit points

In summary, we are trying to prove that if E is a subset of X and p is a limit point of E, then there exists a sequence (p_n) in E such that p is the limit of (p_n) as n approaches infinity. The attempt at a solution is incorrect as it only shows that infinitely many p_n's can be contained in a neighborhood of p, but does not actually construct the sequence. It is also not true that p_n converges to p implies that p is a limit point of the range of (p_n). Rather, if p_n converges to p and p_n is not equal to p for all n, then p is a limit point of the range of (p_n).
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Homework Statement



Prove that if [itex]E \subset X[/itex] and if p is a limit point of E, then there is a sequence [itex]\{p_{n}\}[/itex] in [itex]E[/itex] such that [itex]p=\lim_{n\to\infty}\{p_{n}\}[/itex] (I presume that there is an invisible "[itex]p_{n} \rightarrow p[/itex] implies that" at the beginning of the sentence).

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The Attempt at a Solution



We want to show that every neighbourhood around p contains infinitely many [itex]p_{n}[/itex]'s.

By the definition of convergence we can choose infinitely many N's so that infinitely many [itex]p_{n}[/itex]'s can be contained in a neighbourhood of p with a correspondent radius.

Is this valid?
 
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bedi said:

Homework Statement



Prove that if [itex]E \subset X[/itex] and if p is a limit point of E, then there is a sequence [itex]\{p_{n}\}[/itex] in [itex]E[/itex] such that [itex]p=\lim_{n\to\infty}\{p_{n}\}[/itex]

Notation issue: when writing [itex]p=\lim_n p_n[/itex], we don't write brackets around the [itex]p_n[/itex]

(I presume that there is an invisible "[itex]p_{n} \rightarrow p[/itex] implies that" at the beginning of the sentence).

Nope, the sentence is fine how it is. Why do you think that should be added?

The Attempt at a Solution



We want to show that every neighbourhood around p contains infinitely many [itex]p_{n}[/itex]'s.

By the definition of convergence we can choose infinitely many N's so that infinitely many [itex]p_{n}[/itex]'s can be contained in a neighbourhood of p with a correspondent radius.

Is this valid?

No, this is not valid. And I think you're missing the entire point of the exercise. The exercise wants you to actually construct a sequence [itex](p_n)_n[/itex]. You act like the [itex]p_n[/itex] are given, but they are not. You must show that such a sequence actually exist.
 
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What if the actual question were p_n converges to p implies that p is limit point of range of {p_n}?
 
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bedi said:
What if the actual question were p_n converges to p implies that p is limit point of range of {p_n}?

That is not even true. Take [itex]p_n=2[/itex] for all n. Then [itex]p_n\rightarrow 2[/itex], but 2 is not a limit point of [itex]\{p_n~\vert~n\}[/itex].

What is true is: if [itex]p_n\rightarrow p[/itex] and if [itex]p_n\neq p[/itex] for all n, then p is a limit point of [itex]\{p_n~\vert~n\}[/itex].
 
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Then what about the latter?
 

FAQ: Convergent sequence and limit points

What is a convergent sequence?

A convergent sequence is a sequence of numbers that approaches a specific value, known as the limit, as the sequence continues to infinity. This means that as you move down the sequence, the numbers get closer and closer to the limit.

What is the limit of a convergent sequence?

The limit of a convergent sequence is the value that the sequence approaches as it continues to infinity. It is the ultimate destination of the sequence.

How do you determine if a sequence is convergent or divergent?

A sequence is convergent if it approaches a single limit as it continues to infinity. It is divergent if it does not approach a single limit and instead either grows or oscillates without approaching a specific value.

What is the difference between a limit point and a limit?

A limit point is a value that a sequence can approach from multiple directions, while a limit is a specific value that the sequence approaches as it continues to infinity.

Why is understanding convergent sequences and limit points important in science?

Convergent sequences and limit points are important in science because they help us understand the behavior of systems that change over time. They allow us to make predictions and analyze patterns in data, which is crucial in various scientific fields such as physics, chemistry, and biology.

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