Coordinates of a point on a rotating wheel

In summary: If you rotate the small triangles around their centers to get the big triangle, it will be congruent to the result of QPQC.In summary, the easy way to derive Morin's equation is to forget Morin's triangles and do it in two quick steps.
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Homework Statement
A mass m is fixed to a given point on the rim of a wheel of radius R that rolls without
slipping on the ground. The wheel is massless, except for a mass M located at its
center. Find the equation of motion for the angle through which the wheel rolls. For
the case where the wheel undergoes small oscillations, find the frequency.
Relevant Equations
L = T - V
$$x = R \theta - \sin \theta$$
$$y = R - \cos \theta$$
My issue is in deriving the coordinates of a point on a wheel that rotates without slipping. In Morin's solution he says that:
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My attempt at rederiving his equation:

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I do not understand how the triangle on the bottom with sides indicated in green is the same as the triangle on top that is the only way I can get morin's solution. Am I missing something? This doesn't seem like a trivial thing (unless I am approaching it incorrectly and there is an easier way of seeing it).
 
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Please find attached the figure I draw on your sketch, which I interpreted from the text. The circle in orange rolls on x axis to become the circle in purple.

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https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/320402
 
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The easy way to derive the EoM is to forget Morin's triangles and do it in two quick steps.
(a) Write an equation for a point on the rim in a frame of reference moving at the same velocity ##\vec v## with the wheel. Taking the origin of coordinates to be at the point of contact at ##t=0##,
##y=R(1- \cos\omega t)~##;##~~x=-R\sin \omega t##.
(b) Transform to the rest frame of the surface on which the wheel is rolling by adding ##vt## in the direction of motion. Then the position vector of the point of interest is
##\vec r= v t~\hat x -R\sin \omega t~\hat x+R(1- \cos\omega t)~\hat y.##

With ##\theta =\omega t## and ##v=\omega R## for rolling without slipping, one gets
$$\vec r=R \theta~\hat x -R\sin \theta~\hat x+R(1- \cos\theta)~\hat y= R(1-\sin\theta)~\hat x+R(1- \cos\theta)~\hat y$$which is Morin's expression. I find this method straightforward and easy to derive whenever needed.
 
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realanswers said:
how the triangle on the bottom with sides indicated in green is the same as the triangle on top
Label the points
O centre of circle
C point of contact with ground below O
P mass on circumference
Drop perpendicular from P to meet OC at Q.
Can you see that PQC is congruent to both of the small triangles?
 

FAQ: Coordinates of a point on a rotating wheel

How do you determine the coordinates of a point on a rotating wheel at a given time?

To determine the coordinates of a point on a rotating wheel at a given time, you can use parametric equations. If the wheel has a radius \( r \) and rotates with an angular velocity \( \omega \), and the point starts at an angle \( \theta_0 \) from the horizontal axis, the coordinates \( (x, y) \) at time \( t \) are given by:\[ x(t) = r \cos(\omega t + \theta_0) \]\[ y(t) = r \sin(\omega t + \theta_0) \]

What role does angular velocity play in the coordinates of a point on a rotating wheel?

Angular velocity (\( \omega \)) determines how fast the wheel is rotating. It affects the rate at which the angle \( \theta \) changes over time. The coordinates of the point on the wheel are dependent on this changing angle, so angular velocity directly influences the position of the point at any given time. Higher angular velocity means the point moves faster around the wheel.

How do you account for the initial position of the point on the wheel?

The initial position of the point on the wheel is accounted for by the initial angle \( \theta_0 \). This angle represents the starting position of the point relative to a reference direction (usually the positive x-axis). The initial angle is added to the product of angular velocity and time in the parametric equations:\[ x(t) = r \cos(\omega t + \theta_0) \]\[ y(t) = r \sin(\omega t + \theta_0) \]

How can you modify the equations if the wheel is rotating around a point other than the origin?

If the wheel is rotating around a point \((h, k)\) other than the origin, you need to translate the coordinates accordingly. The equations for the coordinates of the point on the wheel become:\[ x(t) = h + r \cos(\omega t + \theta_0) \]\[ y(t) = k + r \sin(\omega t + \theta_0) \]This accounts for the offset of the wheel's center from the origin.

What happens to the coordinates if the wheel rotates in the opposite direction?

If the wheel rotates in the opposite direction, the angular velocity \( \omega \) becomes negative. This changes the direction in which the angle \( \theta \) increases over time. The parametric equations remain the same, but with \( \omega \) being negative:\[ x(t) = r \cos(-\omega t +

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