Could the Early Universe Have Collapsed into Black Holes?

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of a black hole and its relation to the early stages of the universe. The question is raised about the possibility of major parts of the early universe collapsing into black holes due to high density and escape velocity. However, it is explained that the early universe was not a black hole due to the uniform and isotropic energy distribution described by general relativity. The confusion surrounding the concept of the "big bang" is also addressed, clarifying that it refers to the earliest moments in the expansion history of the observable universe. It is noted that the early universe was a unique case of quantum weirdness, rather than a black hole.
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Constantin
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I can't imagine an object more compact than a black hole for a certain radius and personally don't think it makes sense. Yet for earlier stages of the Universe, without a variable c , it gets far more compact than a black hole.

Shouldn't major parts of the early universe simply collapse into black holes when such a density is present ? I mean for such a density the escape velocity would be far higher than c for major parts of the Universe, so how could it keep expanding ?
And yes I did see explanations like, the space itself was expanding, but it doesn't sound convincing.

Please let me know your thoughts.
Thank you
 
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Constantin said:
And yes I did see explanations like, the space itself was expanding, but it doesn't sound convincing.
Presumably you've seen this page? Anyway, the issue isn't whether verbal descriptions sound convincing to our intuitions, it's a mathematical matter of what is actually predicted by the equations of general relativity, and in this case you can find spacetimes that satisfy these equations everywhere that expand from such dense states.
 
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I think what it really comes down to is the symmetry of the matter distribution. The early universe is expanding not just because we say so, but because that's what general relativity says will happen if you fill the universe with a uniform and isotropic energy density. In this case, there is no spatial curvature, but there is still a dramatic effect on spacetime by way of the time coordinate -- the universe expands!

On the other hand, a black hole exhibits spherical symmetry. In this case general relativity gives you a static spacetime with the well known event horizon.

I think the main point of confusion is that people often imagine the big bang as some singular point of high energy density. In fact, cosmology has nothing to say about The Big Bang itself, and most cosmologists use the term "big bang" to refer to the earliest moments in the expansion history of our observable part of the universe. These earliest moments are most accurately described by a uniformly expanding space with a homogeneous energy density.
 
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The very early universe was not a black hole. It was a unique case of quantum weirdness.
 
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bapowell, thank you for your answer. It is very helpful.
 

FAQ: Could the Early Universe Have Collapsed into Black Holes?

What is the Very Compact Early Universe?

The Very Compact Early Universe refers to the state of the universe in the first few moments after the Big Bang, when it was extremely hot, dense, and rapidly expanding.

How did the Very Compact Early Universe evolve into the universe we know today?

As the universe expanded, it cooled down and matter began to clump together, eventually forming stars, galaxies, and larger structures. This process is known as cosmic evolution.

What evidence do we have for the Very Compact Early Universe?

Scientists have gathered evidence for the Very Compact Early Universe through a variety of methods, including observations of the cosmic microwave background radiation, the abundance of light elements, and the distribution of galaxies and dark matter.

What were the conditions like in the Very Compact Early Universe?

The Very Compact Early Universe was incredibly hot, with temperatures reaching trillions of degrees. It was also very dense, with matter and energy packed closely together. The laws of physics as we know them today did not apply in this extreme environment.

How does the study of the Very Compact Early Universe help us understand the origins of the universe?

Studying the Very Compact Early Universe allows scientists to better understand the fundamental laws of physics and how they shaped the evolution of the universe. It also helps us piece together the events that occurred in the first moments after the Big Bang and gain insight into the origins of the universe.

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