Counting Measure Homework: Does fn(x) Converge?

In summary, in the measure space {X,S,u} where u is the counting measure, the function fn(x)=\chi{1,2,,,..n}(x) where \chi is the characteristic (indicator) function converges pointwise and almost uniformly, but not in measure. This is shown by considering the possible limit of the function f\equiv1 and the set \{ | f_n - 1 | > \varepsilon \}. In addition, the metric space (L,d) where L is the set of finite measurable functions and d(f,g)=\int{\frac{|f-g|}{1+|f-g|} is complete. This can be shown by proving that the limit of an arbitrary Ca
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Homework Statement


In the measure space {X,S,u} where u is the counting measure
X=(1,2,3,..}
S= all subsets of X
fn(x)=[tex]\chi[/tex]{1,2,,,..n}(x) where [tex]\chi[/tex] is the characteristic (indicator) function.

Does fn(x) converge
a.pointwise
b.almost uniformly
c.in measure


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The Attempt at a Solution


My guess would be
a.pointwise.yes, since it goes eventually to 1 , but it's hard to demonstrate this
b. almost uniformly : yes?
c. in measure: yes? follows directly from b if the answer to b is yes
 
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a) Yes. Take [tex]x \in X[/tex]. It shouldn't too difficult to show that eventually [tex]|f_n ( x ) - 1 | = 0[/tex].
b) See (c)
c) No. It's easy to see that the only possible limit is [tex]f\equiv1[/tex]. Now, for any [tex]1>\varepsilon>0, n \in \mathbb{N}[/tex], [tex]\{ | f_n - 1 | > \varepsilon \} = \{ n + 1, n + 2, \ldots \}[/tex]. What is the measure of this set? What does this say about almost uniform convergence?
 
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rochfor1 said:
a) Yes. Take [tex]x \in X[/tex]. It shouldn't too difficult to show that eventually [tex]|f_n ( x ) - 1 | = 0[/tex].
b) See (c)
c) No. It's easy to see that the only possible limit is [tex]f\equiv1[/tex]. Now, for any [tex]1>\varepsilon>0, n \in \mathbb{N}[/tex], [tex]\{ | f_n - 1 | > \varepsilon \} = \{ n + 1, n + 2, \ldots \}[/tex]. What is the measure of this set? What does this say about almost uniform convergence?

I think the only problem is that we have to find the cardinality of (n+1,n+2,n+3...) as n goes to infinity. As n goes to infinity, there is no number larger than n and in fact no n+1,n+2...can exist?
 
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That's not a very precise way to think about it. Think about it...without a doubt [tex]n\to\infty[/tex], but at any "stage" of this limit, [tex]n<\infty[/tex] so the set I wrote about is well-defined, and can in fact be mapped bijectively to the natural numbers. What does that imply about its cardnality?
 
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I completely understand the solution now.

One last question
How to prove that the metric space (L,d)
where L=all measurable functions
d(f,g)=[tex]\int{\frac{|f-g|}{1+|f-g|}[/tex] is complete?

I really have no idea how to show this since I have to show that the limit of ARBITRARY cauchy sequence is another measurable function. I think it is very difficult.
 
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Is that the complete question? What domain are your measurable functions defined on?
 
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Sorry, my bad (X,S,u) is a FINITE measure space and L is the set of FINITE measurable functions. no information other than that.
no mention of lebesgue measure or borel set
 
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That helps. Otherwise you wouldn't have a metric. Now your metric is equivalent to the L_1 metric, isn't it? Sorry, it's been a long time since my Real Analysis classes and I don't have this stuff at the tip of my tongue anymore.
 

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