Curvature at t=0 for r(t) = 4/9(1+t)^(3/2)i + 4/9(1-t)^(3/2)j + 1/3t k

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The discussion focuses on finding the curvature of the vector function r(t) at t=0, with the curvature formula K=1/|v| * |dT/dt| being applied. The user initially calculated the velocity vector v and its magnitude, but encountered confusion regarding the time derivative of the tangent vector T. Key issues identified include the misplacement of minus signs and the need to square denominators in calculations. After corrections, the final curvature result was confirmed as (√2)/3, clarifying the importance of accurate notation and calculations in vector calculus. The conversation emphasizes the necessity of careful mathematical representation to avoid errors in deriving curvature.
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Homework Statement



Find the curvature of

##r(t) = \frac 4 9 (1+t)^ \frac 3 2 i + \frac 4 9 (1-t)^ \frac 3 2 j + \frac 1 3 t \hat k## at t=0

Homework Equations



K=1/|v| * |dT/dt|

The Attempt at a Solution



Found v.

##v= \frac 2 3 (1+t)^ \frac 1 2 i - \frac 2 3 (1-t)^ \frac 1 2 j + 1/3 \hat k##
|v|=1

v/|v|= <(2/3)(1+t)^(1/2), -(2/3)(1-t)^(3/2), 1/3>

##\vec T = \frac v (|v|) ##

Take derivative of T.

K(0)=1/1 * |dT/dt|

##= \sqrt( \frac 1 3 ^2 + \frac 1 3 ^2 )= \sqrt \frac 2 3 ##

The answer is ## (\sqrt 2) / 3##. Where did I go wrong?
 
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Please show your working for the time-derivative of the j term.
Did you misplace a minus sign?

Aside:
* you used the letter k for two different things: avoid. Curvature is K or \kappa
The way you wrote it, it looks like r(t) depends on the curvature.
* it can help to indicate vectors: i,j,k are unit vectors?

\vec r, \hat\imath, \hat\jmath, \hat k gets you ##\vec r, \hat\imath, \hat\jmath, \hat k##, or you can bold-face them.
 
Simon Bridge said:
Please show your working for the time-derivative of the j term.
Did you misplace a minus sign?

Aside:
* you used the letter k for two different things: avoid. Curvature is K or \kappa
The way you wrote it, it looks like r(t) depends on the curvature.
* it can help to indicate vectors: i,j,k are unit vectors?

\vec r, \hat\imath, \hat\jmath, \hat k gets you ##\vec r, \hat\imath, \hat\jmath, \hat k##, or you can bold-face them.

Ok. I tried to use capital K to denote curvature and changed the ##\hat k##

The problem was copied as is. I fixed the minus signs but since they were squared anyway, it doesn't seem to make a difference.
 
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My question is

1. was my method wrong?

2. if no to 1 then is there something obviously wrong in any part?
 
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mill said:
K(0)=1/1 * |dT/dt|

##= \sqrt( \frac 1 3 ^2 + \frac 1 3 ^2 )= \sqrt \frac 2 3 ##

The answer is ## (\sqrt 2) / 3##. Where did I go wrong?

You did not square the denominators.

K(0)=1/1 * |dT/dt|

##= \sqrt{ \left(\frac {1} {3}\right) ^2 + \left(\frac {1} {3}\right) ^2 }=\frac{ \sqrt { 2}} {3} ##

ehild
 
ehild said:
You did not square the denominators.

K(0)=1/1 * |dT/dt|

##= \sqrt{ \left(\frac {1} {3}\right) ^2 + \left(\frac {1} {3}\right) ^2 }=\frac{ \sqrt { 2}} {3} ##

ehild

Thanks so much!
 
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