Dead or Existence? Questions on Life After Death

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In summary: We take it on faith because we can observe the wave state collapsing to the particle state. Without an unshakeable belief that there is an existence beyond the body & it's limited senses, you'd be alone in your self for eternity (truly hell).In summary, according to Phi, if someone is dead, their consciousness/soul still exists. This belief is based on the assumption that consciousness is not a quality of the nervous system, and that the soul implies a separate entity exists within the body. Belief in an afterlife is based on faith, but can also be based on experience or understanding. If someone is convinced that there is nothing after death, then their soul will not exist
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Imparcticle said:
If someone is dead, do they still exist?
"Cogito ergo sum". I think, therefore I am.

One must exist in order to experience, and the fact that you experience is convincing proof you exist.


Your body is not a single thing. It is a myriad of things - billions of elemental particles - individual existences each with its own identity and unique history. Two individual elements cannot share a common experience or become a single identity any more than they could simultaneously occupy the same space. If you could disassemble your body and remain conscious as each of those particles were removed one-by-one and reassembled twenty feet away - at what point would you - yourself - experience a change in location? It is not possible to 'be' more than (or less than) a single existence, so the identity you experience must only be that of a single Entity - an element hidden within the assemblage of your body.

This isn't rocket science. It has nothing to do with religion. It is simple logic and elementary deduction. You don't have a soul, you are a soul. And while you are alive, you have a body. When you die, it will fall off (which can be VERY embarrassing as well as downright inconvenient).
 
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As far as I know, these spirit-beings are said to have no spatial extent, so size isn't an issue with them. Of course, if this is the case, then they do not exist in any spatial dimensions, lower, higher, normal, or otherwise. I'm pretty sure what these guys are calling "dimensions" are really something else that they just don't have a word for.
 
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Kerrie said:
physically, the body will not remain existing due to the process of decay...
"A body" is a body if it is intact then?

which begs the question: does our "soul" keeps our physical body alive along with our personality?

This is what I do not understand. The "soul" is apparently presumed to be a separate entity from a living being. What makes a person alive is generally environmentally and physically based...I don't recall ever hearing an explanation involving souls keeping our bodies "alive".
What is the difference between the personality and the soul?
 
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One must exist in order to experience, and the fact that you experience is convincing proof you exist.
So to experience is neccesarily tied in with cosciousness.
According to what you have said, I may conclude that inanimate objects such as rocks do not exist because they do not experience. Of course, rocks exist and so do other inanimate objects.

This isn't rocket science. It has nothing to do with religion. It is simple logic and elementary deduction. You don't have a soul, you are a soul. And while you are alive, you have a body.

So a soul is physical?
 
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Imparcticle said:
So to experience is neccesarily tied in with cosciousness.
According to what you have said, I may conclude that inanimate objects such as rocks do not exist because they do not experience. Of course, rocks exist and so do other inanimate objects.

What he is saying is that due to the fact that a rock does not consciously experience, it cannot prove its own existence. That does not mean he is concluding that a rock does not exist.
 

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