Definition of e / Changing base question

In summary: Oh I see what you are saying. I'm sorry, I was not aware that it was a wrong statement. I can see that the log should have been on the 2^x and not on the 2. I am not sure if there is anything else wrong with it. I have not learned how to do this yet.
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Homework Statement


Here's the problem:

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Mod note: the last line is extraneous, and unrelated to this problem.

Homework Equations



Definition of e (1-1/n)^n, etc.

The Attempt at a Solution


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My question is this:
a) When do you know to use e in a situation like this? Is it when you have exponents in such a situation?
b) Is this the definition of e? Or utilizing it somehow?
c) If there is any sites/information that you can give me on this procedure, I would be grateful. In my calc studies this must have been skipped over and now it is being applied as if it has been taught to me already.
 
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RJLiberator said:

Homework Statement


Here's the problem:

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Where did the last line come from? The value of this limit is zero, and is totally unrelated to the problem of finding the derivative of ##2^{x + 1}##.
RJLiberator said:

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Definition of e (1-1/n)^n, etc.

The Attempt at a Solution


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My question is this:
a) When do you know to use e in a situation like this? Is it when you have exponents in such a situation?
An exponential function using an arbitrary base can be rewritten as an exponential function use e as the base. The basic idea is that ##a = e^{ln(a)}##, so ##a^x = (e^{ln(a)})^x = e^{xln(a)}##
RJLiberator said:
b) Is this the definition of e? Or utilizing it somehow?
c) If there is any sites/information that you can give me on this procedure, I would be grateful. In my calc studies this must have been skipped over and now it is being applied as if it has been taught to me already.
 
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Mark44, sorry for the confusion, please exclude the last line. This was a snapshot of a calculation for a longer problem. I only had a vague idea of what was happening in this part and was looking for clarification :).

Thank you for your definition. I had that idea in my mind, but needed it laid out in front of me as you did. This helped me understand when to use e in a limit problem such as above. :)

Cheers
 
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RJLiberator said:
Mark44, sorry for the confusion, please exclude the last line. This was a snapshot of a calculation for a longer problem. I only had a vague idea of what was happening in this part and was looking for clarification :).

Thank you for your definition. I had that idea in my mind, but needed it laid out in front of me as you did. This helped me understand when to use e in a limit problem such as above. :)
But the problem you posted is not a limit problem (unless you invoke the underlying definition of the derivative). I think it would be clearer to describe it as a derivative problem.
 
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Ah yes, this was a limit problem applying l'hospitals rule so it became a derivative problem inside a limit problem. :)

Indeed, it should have been labeled as a derivative problem according to my issue.
 
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RJLiberator said:

Homework Statement


Here's the problem:

53d7bdc8-acbf-4a00-8d2c-05628386088b_zps73e78890.png

Mod note: the last line is extraneous, and unrelated to this problem.

Homework Equations



Definition of e (1-1/n)^n, etc.

The Attempt at a Solution


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My question is this:
a) When do you know to use e in a situation like this? Is it when you have exponents in such a situation?
b) Is this the definition of e? Or utilizing it somehow?
c) If there is any sites/information that you can give me on this procedure, I would be grateful. In my calc studies this must have been skipped over and now it is being applied as if it has been taught to me already.

You wrote
[tex] 2^{x+1} = e^{\ln(2)(x+1)}\\
= \frac{d}{dx} \left( e^{\ln(2)(x+1)} \right) [/tex]
Do you see why this statement is wrong?
 
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Ray Vickson said:
You wrote
[tex] 2^{x+1} = e^{\ln(2)(x+1)}\\
= \frac{d}{dx} \left( e^{\ln(2)(x+1)} \right) [/tex]
Do you see why this statement is wrong?
I think the equality on the second line was meant to continue the calculation on the line before the first line. The grayed out line is only the explanation for why the equality holds.
 
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RJLiberator said:
My question is this:
a) When do you know to use e in a situation like this? Is it when you have exponents in such a situation?
b) Is this the definition of e? Or utilizing it somehow?
c) If there is any sites/information that you can give me on this procedure, I would be grateful. In my calc studies this must have been skipped over and now it is being applied as if it has been taught to me already.
a) You're supposed to prove that ##\frac{d}{dx}2^{x+1}=2^{x+1}\ln x## for all x. If you're allowed to use the formula ##\frac{d}{dx}a^x =a^x\log_a x##, then the proof is a trivial application of that formula and the chain rule. If you're not allowed to use it, then you have to rewrite ##2^{x+1}## as something that you know how to deal with, and apparently you know how to deal with ##e^{f(x)}## when f is a differentiable function, so you write ##2^x=e^{\ln 2^x}=e^{x\ln 2}##.

b) If your book defined the exponential function before the logarithm, then it probably defined the logarithm as the inverse of the exponential function. So ##e^{\ln x}=x## and ##\ln e^x=x## follow immediately from the definition of the logarithm.

c) The ##x=e^{\ln x}## rewrite is very common, so it should be mentioned in any book on calculus. It's basically just the definition of the logarithm, so there isn't much to say about it, but you should be able to find examples of high to use it in any book on calculus that includes some solved exercises.
 
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Excellent material Fredrik. This will help me out, surely.
 
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Fredrik said:
I think the equality on the second line was meant to continue the calculation on the line before the first line. The grayed out line is only the explanation for why the equality holds.
Yes, I know that, but I was hoping the OP would see where the writing error lies, and promise to do better in future.
 
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FAQ: Definition of e / Changing base question

What is the definition of e?

The mathematical constant e, also known as Euler's number, is an irrational number approximately equal to 2.71828. It is a fundamental constant in mathematics and is often used in exponential and logarithmic functions.

How is e different from other mathematical constants?

Euler's number is unique in that it is the only number that, when used as the base of an exponential function, produces a derivative of the same function. It is also the only number that, when used as the base of a logarithmic function, produces a graph with a slope of 1 at all points.

Can e be expressed as a fraction?

No, e is an irrational number and cannot be expressed as a fraction or a ratio of two integers. It is a non-repeating, non-terminating decimal, and its decimal representation continues infinitely without any pattern.

How is e related to growth and continuous compounding?

Euler's number plays a significant role in growth and continuous compounding problems. It represents the maximum possible growth rate in a given time period, and it is used to calculate the future value of money in continuously compounded interest equations.

Can the base of e be changed?

Yes, the base of e can be changed using the natural logarithm function, which is the inverse of the exponential function with base e. By taking the natural logarithm of a number, we can convert it to the base e. This is commonly used in solving exponential and logarithmic equations.

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