Derivatives of First Solution in Reduction of Order

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In summary, the conversation discusses finding the first and second derivatives of a given solution in a differential equation, using the method of substitution. The conversation also explores the characteristic equation and its solutions, ultimately obtaining two solutions for the original equation.
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Homework Statement



find the first and second derivative of first solution.

Homework Equations



[itex]y(x)=m(x)y_1(x)[/itex]

[itex]y'(x)=m'(x)y_1(x)+m(x)y_1'(x)[/itex]




The Attempt at a Solution



I have been given [itex]y_1=\frac{1}{x^n}[/itex]

Which part is the m(x) and which is [itex]y_1(x)[/itex]
I'm not sure how to do the substitution
 
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Can you give us a little more of the question.
 
  • #3
Sure the original question is Differential equation.

It asks find a pair of fundamentle soultions to the DE


[itex]x^2y''-3xy'+y=0[/itex]


So I'm trying to find the two solutions I'm taking [itex]y_1=\frac{1}{x^n}[/itex]
as one solution.
 
  • #4
This is known as Eulers equation, you are correct (partially) in looking for solutions of the form:
[tex]
y=x^{n}
[/tex]
Insert this into your ODE and you will obtain a quadratic equation for [tex]n[/tex], this will have two solutions which correspond to the two solutions.
 
  • #5
So does

[itex]x^2y''-3xy'+y=0[/itex]

become


[itex]x^2(n^2-2)x^{n-2} -3xnx^{n-1} + x^n=0[/itex]
 
  • #6
I seem to be having trouble getting a quadratic for n

is this the right method?

I have

[itex]y=x^n[/itex]
than
[itex]y'=nx^{n-1}[/itex]
then
[itex]y''=(n^2-n-1)x^{n-2}[/itex]


so do you substitute into

[itex]x^2y''-3xy'+y=0[/itex] to give

[itex]x^2((n^2-n-1)x^{n-2})- 3x(nx^{n-1})+x^n=0[/itex]

I'm getting

[itex](n^2-4n+1)x^n[/itex]

I can see a characteristic equation there but not sure about the coefficient [itex]x^n[/itex]?
 
  • #7
Almost:
[tex]
y''=n(n-1)x^{n-2}
[/tex]
So
[tex]
x^{2}(n(n-1)x^{n-2}-3xnx^{n-1}+x^{n}=0
[/tex]
which yields
[tex]
(n^{2}-4n+1)x^{n}=0
[/tex]
So
[tex]
n^{2}-4n+1=0
[/tex]
Can you calculate n from the above?
 
  • #8
Thanks,

I solve the quadratic [tex]n^{2}-4n+1=0[/tex]
and get:

[tex]n_1=-\sqrt{3}-2[/tex] and [tex]n_2=\sqrt{3}+2[/tex]


So are the two solutions...?

[tex]y_1=c_1x^{-\sqrt{3}-2}[/tex] and [tex]y_2=c_2x^{\sqrt{3}+2}[/tex]
 
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  • #9
You flipped a sign in n1, but otherwise your solutions are correct.
 
  • #10
Sorry,

[tex]
y_1=c_1x^{-\sqrt{3}+2}
[/tex]

thanks for your help guys
 

FAQ: Derivatives of First Solution in Reduction of Order

What is the Reduction of Order method?

The Reduction of Order method is a technique used in solving second-order differential equations. It involves transforming the original equation into a first-order equation, which can then be solved using known methods.

When is the Reduction of Order method used?

This method is used when the particular solution to a differential equation is already known, but the complementary solution needs to be found. It can also be used when the roots of the characteristic equation are known.

How does the Reduction of Order method work?

The method involves substituting a known solution, usually the particular solution, into the original differential equation. This reduces the order of the equation and allows for the complementary solution to be solved using known methods.

What are the advantages of using the Reduction of Order method?

This method is advantageous because it can simplify the process of solving higher-order differential equations. It also allows for multiple solutions to be found, instead of just the general solution.

Are there any limitations to the Reduction of Order method?

Yes, the Reduction of Order method can only be used for linear, homogeneous differential equations. It also requires a known particular solution, which may not always be available. Additionally, it may not work for all types of differential equations, such as those with non-constant coefficients.

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