Derive u from v with Lorentz Transform

In summary, the conversation is discussing taking the derivative of a Lorentz transform equation with respect to proper time and the difference between u-time in the observed frame and v-time in the reference frame.
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mntb
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derivating a from v (lorentz transform)
u is the velocity in the +x direction
u=(u-v)/(1-vu/c^2)
du? how do you du the right side of the eq? :confused:
 
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mntb said:
derivating a from v (lorentz transform)
u is the velocity in the +x direction
u=(u-v)/(1-vu/c^2)
du? how do you du the right side of the eq? :confused:

What are you taking the derivative with respect to? Note that the u-time in the observed frame is not the same as the v-time in the reference frame. If you want your derivative to be Lorentz invariant you have to differentiate with respect to proper time.
 
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To derive u from v using the Lorentz Transform, we can use the equation:

u = (u-v)/(1-vu/c^2)

where u is the velocity in the +x direction and v is the velocity in the +x direction in the original reference frame.

To differentiate the right side of the equation with respect to v, we can use the quotient rule:

du/dv = [(1-vu/c^2)(du/dv) - (du/dv)(u-v)]/(1-vu/c^2)^2

Since we are differentiating with respect to v, we can treat u as a constant. Thus, du/dv = 0.

Plugging this into the equation, we get:

du/dv = [(1-vu/c^2)(0) - (0)(u-v)]/(1-vu/c^2)^2

du/dv = 0

Therefore, the derivative of u with respect to v is 0. This means that u is independent of v and remains constant regardless of the velocity in the original reference frame.
 

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1. How do you derive u from v using the Lorentz Transform?

The Lorentz Transform is a mathematical formula that describes how time and space coordinates change between two different frames of reference, such as two observers moving at different velocities. To derive u from v using this formula, you would first need to plug in the values of v (velocity) and c (speed of light) into the equation. This will give you the value of u (relative velocity) for the given frame of reference.

2. What is the significance of using the Lorentz Transform to derive u from v?

The Lorentz Transform is a fundamental concept in special relativity that helps us understand how time and space are relative to the observer's frame of reference. By using this formula, we can accurately calculate the relative velocity between two frames of reference, which is crucial for understanding the effects of time dilation and length contraction.

3. Are there any limitations to using the Lorentz Transform to derive u from v?

Yes, the Lorentz Transform is only applicable in special relativity, which deals with objects moving at constant velocities in a straight line. It does not account for the effects of acceleration or gravitational forces. Additionally, it only works for objects moving at speeds significantly slower than the speed of light.

4. Can the Lorentz Transform be used in reverse to derive v from u?

Yes, the Lorentz Transform is a two-way formula and can be used to derive either u or v. The only difference is that in order to derive v from u, you would need to rearrange the formula and solve for v instead of u.

5. Can the Lorentz Transform be applied to non-inertial frames of reference?

No, the Lorentz Transform is only applicable to inertial frames of reference, which are frames that are not accelerating. Non-inertial frames, such as a rotating or accelerating frame, require more complex mathematical formulas to calculate the effects of relativity.

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