Determining Finiteness of (ZxZ)/H for a,b,c,d

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In summary, the quick question is whether or not the factor group (ZxZ)/H is finite. The answer is that it is if (in terms of a,b,c,d) is the factor group.
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Quick question:


Fix integers a,b,c,d.
Let H be the subgroup of ZxZ generated by (a,b) and (c,d).
When (in terms of a,b,c,d) is the factor group (ZxZ)/H finite?



I figured that if ad is not equal to bc then the factor group (ZxZ)/H is of order ad-bc, and if ad is equal to bc then the factor group (ZxZ)/H is infinite. But I can only figure out how to prove it by drawing diagrams and showing it geometrically. Are there any rigorous ways to prove that?
 
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What is non-rigorous about what you did, and how can you go about correcting that?
 
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Non-rigorous: drawing diagrams and describing what's happening instead of precise lines of algebraic proof.

Rigorous: perhaps some proof not via a geometric point of view, and purely by considering the group ZxZ and the subgroup H and the factor groups algebraicly? (If that's possible)
 
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Firstly, it is not necessarily true that your first argument is not rigorous. Write out you 'non-rigorous' descriptions, and see if you can make them satisfy your notion of rigorous. If a proof is logically correct without any leaps of faith then it doesn't matter whether it is diagrammatic or not.

Anyway, the point is that your subgroup H is the set of all points (ax+cy, bx+dy), isn't it? Sums of multiples of (a,b) and (c,d). Now doesn't that look a lot like what happens when you apply a matrix to (x,y)? A matrix involving a,b,c,d, and isn't ad-bc very suggestive when you think about matrices?
 
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Well yes. What I have is that the set of points in H are elements of the form (ma+nc, mb+nd) which is pictured geometrically by the set of points on ZxZ that lies on any multiple of the vector (a,b) or (c,d) or a combination of both. The number of elements in (ZxZ)/H is then the number of points contained inside inside one //gram plus the point on the bottom left vertex, which should be equal to its area, which is equal to the determinant of the matrix whose first column is a,b and second column is c,d , equalling (the absolute value of) ad-bc. With a diagram showing the elements of H and joining them up with parallel lines etc.

The only problem is I think that was just a description rather than a proper proof, and I probably need to go into more detail for proving certain parts, perhaps that the number of elements in H is equal to the area which is equal to the determinant... etc.
 

FAQ: Determining Finiteness of (ZxZ)/H for a,b,c,d

1. What does "Determining Finiteness of (ZxZ)/H for a,b,c,d" mean?

The term "Determining Finiteness of (ZxZ)/H for a,b,c,d" refers to the process of determining whether the quotient group (ZxZ)/H, where H is a subgroup defined by four elements a, b, c, and d, is a finite group or an infinite group.

2. How is the finiteness of (ZxZ)/H determined?

The finiteness of (ZxZ)/H can be determined by analyzing the four elements a, b, c, and d that define the subgroup H. If these elements satisfy certain conditions, then the quotient group (ZxZ)/H will be finite. Otherwise, it will be infinite.

3. What are the conditions for (ZxZ)/H to be finite?

In order for (ZxZ)/H to be a finite group, the four elements a, b, c, and d must satisfy the following conditions:

  • a and b must be relatively prime
  • c and d must be relatively prime
  • a and c must have a common divisor
  • b and d must have a common divisor

4. What happens if the conditions for finiteness are not met?

If the conditions for finiteness are not met, then the quotient group (ZxZ)/H will be an infinite group. This means that it will have an infinite number of elements and will not have a finite structure.

5. Why is determining the finiteness of (ZxZ)/H important?

The finiteness of (ZxZ)/H is important because it provides information about the structure and properties of the quotient group. Knowing whether it is finite or infinite can help in understanding its behavior and making mathematical calculations and proofs.

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