Determining the Function with Identities

In summary, the conversation discusses how to show that a function with certain identities is equal to a constant. The process involves manipulating integrals and utilizing the fact that the function is continuous. Ultimately, it is proven that the function is constant.
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evinda
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Hi guys!I have a question..How can I show that the function that has the following identities:

[tex]\bullet[/tex] [tex]f(x)\neq 0[/tex] ,[tex]x\in\mathbb{R}[/tex].
[tex]\bullet[/tex] [tex]f(0)=f\left(\dfrac{2}{3}\right)[/tex].
[tex]\int_{0}^{x}\frac{f(t)f(x-t)}{f(\frac{2+t}{3})f(\frac{2+x-t}{3})}=\int_{0}^{x}\frac{f^2{(t)}}{f^2{(\frac{2+t}{3}})}[/tex]
is f(x)=c..??
That's what I did:

=>[tex]\int_{0}^{x}\frac{f(t)f(x-t)}{f(\frac{2+t}{3})f(\frac{2+x-t}{3})}=\int_{0}^{x}\frac{f^2{(t)}}{f^2{(\frac{2+t}{3}})}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{f(x)f(0)}{f(\frac{2+x}{3})f(\frac{2}{3})}[/tex]=[tex]\frac{f^2{(x)}}{f^2(\frac{2+x}{3})}[/tex] .

Because [tex]f(0)=f(\frac{2}{3})[/tex]

[tex]\frac{f(x)}{f(\frac{2+x}{3})}=\frac{f^{2}(x)}{f^2(\frac{2+x}{3}){}}[/tex]

=> [tex]f^2{(\frac{2+x}{3})}f(x)=f^2{(x)}f{(\frac{2+x}{3})}[/tex]

=>[tex]f{(\frac{2+x}{3})}=f(x)[/tex] , [tex]f(x) \neq 0[/tex]

=>f(x)=c

Is this right? :confused:
 
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evinda said:
Hi guys!I have a question..How can I show that the function that has the following identities:

[tex]\bullet[/tex] [tex]f(x)\neq 0[/tex] ,[tex]x\in\mathbb{R}[/tex].
[tex]\bullet[/tex] [tex]f(0)=f\left(\dfrac{2}{3}\right)[/tex].
[tex]\int_{0}^{x}\frac{f(t)f(x-t)}{f(\frac{2+t}{3})f(\frac{2+x-t}{3})}=\int_{0}^{x}\frac{f^2{(t)}}{f^2{(\frac{2+t}{3}})}[/tex]
is f(x)=c..??
That's what I did:

=>[tex]\int_{0}^{x}\frac{f(t)f(x-t)}{f(\frac{2+t}{3})f(\frac{2+x-t}{3})}=\int_{0}^{x}\frac{f^2{(t)}}{f^2{(\frac{2+t}{3}})}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{f(x)f(0)}{f(\frac{2+x}{3})f(\frac{2}{3})}[/tex]=[tex]\frac{f^2{(x)}}{f^2(\frac{2+x}{3})}[/tex] .

Because [tex]f(0)=f(\frac{2}{3})[/tex]

[tex]\frac{f(x)}{f(\frac{2+x}{3})}=\frac{f^{2}(x)}{f^2(\frac{2+x}{3}){}}[/tex]

=> [tex]f^2{(\frac{2+x}{3})}f(x)=f^2{(x)}f{(\frac{2+x}{3})}[/tex]

=>[tex]f{(\frac{2+x}{3})}=f(x)[/tex] , [tex]f(x) \neq 0[/tex]

=>f(x)=c

Is this right? :confused:

Hi evinda!

It all looks good except for the last step.
(Oh, and you may want to add $dt$ to both integrals. ;))

For instance, since you did not specify that f is continuous, another solution would be:
$$f(x)=\begin{cases}
1 & \text{ if } \exists k \in \mathbb Z \text{ such that } x=1-3^k \\
2 & \text{ otherwise}
\end{cases}$$

With the additional condition that f is continuous, it does follow that $f(x)=C$.
This can be proven by picking a point with a different value and consider what that means for the limit where $x \to 1$ (proof by contradiction).
 
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Nice!Thank you veery much! :p
 
  • #4
Hi,
I can't quite figure out the hint. But here's a direct proof:
Let a and b be any reals with -1<a<1 and f a continuous function with f(ax+b)=f(x) for all x. Then f is a constant function.
Proof.
Let x be any real. Define the sequence xn inductively by x0 = x and for for n>0, xn=axn-1+b. Then an easy induction shows xn=anx+b(an-1)/(a-1). By hypothesis, f(x)=f(xn) for all n. So f(x)=limit as n approaches infinity f(xn)=f(-b/(a-1)); i.e. f is constant.
 
  • #5
Great..Thank you! :eek:
 

FAQ: Determining the Function with Identities

What is the purpose of determining the function with identities?

The purpose of determining the function with identities is to find the relationship between two mathematical expressions. This can help simplify equations, solve problems, and prove mathematical statements.

What are identities in mathematics?

In mathematics, identities are equations that are always true for any value of the variables involved. This means that no matter what values are substituted for the variables, the equation will remain true.

How do we determine the function with identities?

To determine the function with identities, we first need to identify the variables in the equation. Then, we can manipulate the equation using algebraic techniques, such as combining like terms and factoring, to simplify it and reveal the underlying function.

What are some common identities used in determining functions?

Some common identities used in determining functions include the distributive property, the commutative property, and the associative property. Trigonometric identities, such as the Pythagorean identity and the double angle identity, are also frequently used.

Why is determining the function with identities important in scientific research?

Determining the function with identities is important in scientific research because it allows us to model and understand complex systems, make predictions, and test hypotheses. It also helps us to identify patterns and relationships between variables, which can lead to new discoveries and advancements in various fields of science.

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