Different cases of work done done by 3 conservative forces

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of conservative forces and work done by these forces. The key equation is W=-ΔU for conservative force, with the understanding that the return of a particle to its original position means ΔU=0. The conversation also addresses the idea of forces doing negative work and the concept of conservative vs non-conservative forces. Finally, the conversation examines different cases and their corresponding answers, with all cases satisfying the conditions p,q,r,s.
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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


W=-ΔU for conservative force.

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Let all three forces be conservative.
Since particle comes back to where it was, ΔU=0.
Hence ΔUAB+ΔUBC+ΔUCA=0
Hence WCA=-WAB-WBC
For case A, if both WAB, WBC>0, then WCA<0. Else its greater than zero. It is not possible for WCA=WBC because it will contradict the given statement. (Let WAB=WBC=x and other be equal to y. Then 2x=y and x=y which is not possible).
Hence for A: q,s.
Given answer: q,s

Moving onto case C, again q is true. But r can't be true since they have opposite signs. s can also be true.
Hence for C: q,s
Given answer: q,r,s
Are they considering only the magnitude?
 
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If you are a student at school, this is not addressed to you.
Strictly, a force does not do work: whatever applies the force F does work and loses some of its available energy. The specified force always acts in the same direction so it cannot be responsible for the return of the particle from C to A. Some other force must be applied by some other agency to bring this about. This agency does the work on the return leg and whatever applies F has work done on it. "Doing negative work" is an unnecessary oxymoron. A negative calculated value indicates that the force in the calculation is not involved in doing work but that work is being done on whatever applies the force. One possible situation is that a spring is suspended with vertically with a mass m at the lower end. At rest, the mass is at B. The mass m is displaced through h to A and released. F = mg where g N/kg is the strength of the gravitational field. The work done by gravity to reach B is mgh and to reach C is 2mgh. This is the gravitational potential energy lost by the mass-Earth system. Beyond B the extended spring applies an increasing upward force on m and gains energy at the expense of the kinetic energy of the mass until, at C, the motion is reversed. The spring loses elastic potential energy while doing work on the mass. At B, the mass has kinetic energy and is able to do work to compress the spring and to move away from the Earth until point A is reached. Between C and A the force F, the weight of the body, does no work. Instead, the interaction that gives rise to the weight, gravity, has work done on it and gains energy. Between A and B the spring does work and loses energy. Between B and C it has work done on it and gains energy. Between C and B the spring does work and loses energy. Between B and A it has work done on it and gains energy.
Incidentally, I dislike the notion of 'conservative' and 'non-conservative' forces. All interactions conserve energy and there is nothing special about ones involving only kinetic and one or two forms of potential energy. I would rather express the question in terms of situations where only KE and PE were involved and those where other forms of energy were involved. This is slightly more wordy but much more concrete and comprehensible.
 
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WCA = WBC = 2 J, WAB = - 4 J is an example for (r).
 
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How do I approach case B and D?
 
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Titan97 said:
How do I approach case B and D?
I don't understand how in case B ,the given condition is satisfying q ?
 
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For case B and D, apply W=ΔKE. The particle can be moved such that kinetic energy may not change.
All answers p,q,r,s satisfy B and D.
Hence
A: q,s
B: p,q,r,s
C: q,r,s
D: p,q,r,s
 

FAQ: Different cases of work done done by 3 conservative forces

1. What is the concept of work done by conservative forces?

The concept of work done by conservative forces refers to the energy transfer that occurs when an object moves from one point to another in a conservative force field. This work is independent of the path taken by the object and only depends on the initial and final positions, making it a conservative quantity.

2. What are some examples of conservative forces?

Some examples of conservative forces include gravitational force, electrostatic force, and magnetic force. These forces follow the principle of superposition and their work done is independent of the path taken by the object.

3. How is the work done calculated for conservative forces?

The work done by conservative forces is calculated as the negative of the change in potential energy between the initial and final positions of the object. This can be represented by the equation W = -ΔU, where W is the work done and ΔU is the change in potential energy.

4. Can conservative forces do positive work?

No, conservative forces cannot do positive work. This is because the work done by conservative forces is always equal to the negative change in potential energy, and potential energy cannot increase. Therefore, the work done by conservative forces is always either zero or negative.

5. How do different cases of work done by conservative forces affect the energy of a system?

In all cases, the work done by conservative forces will either increase or decrease the potential energy of a system. If the work done is positive, the potential energy will decrease and the kinetic energy of the system will increase. If the work done is negative, the potential energy will increase and the kinetic energy will decrease. Ultimately, the total energy of the system (i.e. potential energy + kinetic energy) remains constant.

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