Direction of emf, Flemings left & right hand rules

In summary, the conversation discusses the use of Fleming's right and left hand rules in analyzing the movement of a metal strip in a B field going into the plane of the page. It is determined that in Fleming's left hand rule, the force is a result of the B field and the velocity of positive charges, while in Fleming's right hand rule, the current is a result of the force and the B field. It is also clarified that the conventional current, I, is the direction in which positive charges flow, and therefore, in this scenario, the top of the strip becomes positive relative to the bottom. The direction of emf is also confirmed to be from - to +.
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Homework Statement


A metal strip moving to the right in a B field which is going into the plane of the page.

Can this problem be considered using both Fleming's right and left hand rules?

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The Attempt at a Solution


If I consider Fleming's left hand rule: the negative charges in the strip are being moved to the right and so experience a force up (not what it seems to say in the books). Then the strip will have negative charges at the top and positive charges at the bottom.

Or should I think of it as that they are feeling a force to the right (because the strip is being moved) and the current is down? Or maybe Fleming's left hand rule is not for this and is only for a negative charge moving into a B field and it tells the direction of the force on it.

But is the current I in Fleming's left hand rule the direction of the actual negative charges or the conventional current of positive charges?

If I consider Fleming's right hand rule: The force is to the right and the emf is up. But is the emf direction from + to - or from - to +?

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I think I understand it now.

Firstly the I for current is conventional current and so it is the direction that positive charges would flow.

In Fleming's left hand rule the force is as a consequence of the B-field and the velocity of positive charges (or conventional current).

In Fleming's right hand rule then current, I, is as a consequence of the force and the B-field. Then this is what should be used in the example above. The B-field is into the page, the force to the right and these two create a current, 'I' going up. I is the conventional current and therefore the direction positive charges flow in. So positive charges are going to the top of the strip. Then the top of the strip becomes positive relative to the bottom of the strip.

I know the emf also points up and so the direction of emf must be from - to +. That was my original question.

Is this all correct?

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FAQ: Direction of emf, Flemings left & right hand rules

1. What is the direction of emf?

The direction of emf (electromotive force) is determined by the direction of the magnetic field and the direction of the relative motion between the conductor and the magnetic field. It follows Lenz's law, which states that the induced current will flow in a direction that opposes the change in magnetic flux.

2. What is Fleming's left hand rule?

Fleming's left hand rule is a way to determine the direction of the force on a current-carrying conductor in a magnetic field. It states that if the thumb, index finger, and middle finger of the left hand are extended and held perpendicular to each other, the index finger represents the direction of the magnetic field, the middle finger represents the direction of the current, and the thumb represents the direction of the force.

3. What is Fleming's right hand rule?

Fleming's right hand rule is a way to determine the direction of the induced current in a conductor moving through a magnetic field. It states that if the thumb, index finger, and middle finger of the right hand are extended and held perpendicular to each other, the index finger represents the direction of the magnetic field, the middle finger represents the direction of the motion, and the thumb represents the direction of the induced current.

4. How are Fleming's left and right hand rules related?

Fleming's left and right hand rules are related because they both use the same three fingers to represent the direction of the magnetic field, current, and force. The only difference is that the left hand rule is used for a force on a current-carrying conductor, while the right hand rule is used for an induced current in a moving conductor.

5. Why are Fleming's rules important in electromagnetism?

Fleming's rules are important in electromagnetism because they allow us to determine the direction of forces and currents in a magnetic field, which is crucial for understanding and designing devices such as motors, generators, and transformers. They also help us understand the relationship between electricity and magnetism, and how they can be used to produce useful effects in various applications.

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