Divergence and convergence question

In summary, the conversation discusses whether the sum and product of two divergent series are always divergent. The conclusion is that the sum of two divergent series may be convergent or divergent, but the product of two divergent series will always be divergent. It is also clarified that the product of two series cannot be simplified by simply multiplying the sums together.
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Is the sum of 2 divergent series Ʃ(an±bn) divergent? From what I have learned is that it is not always divergent. Is this true? I believe that is what the picture i included is saying, but i maybe miss interpreting it. Also, is the product of 2 divergent series divergent or convergent?
 

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The simplest example for the sum is an = -bn.

For the product case let an = bn = 1/n. ∑1/n diverges, ∑1/n2 converges.
 
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Sorry I don't quite understand the sum example. Is the sum of 2 divergent series always divergent? Yes or no? Thanks.
 
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The sum of two divergent series may be convergent or divergent. My example is a case of convergent. It is easy to construct other cases (an=bn) where it is divergent.
 
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Oh i understand the sum part, but I think the product of two divergent series is also divergent.
Because when you say that Ʃ1/n*Ʃ1/n is convergent you are missing an important rule Ʃan*Ʃbn≠ Ʃ(an*bn) so you can't apply your second example to the product of two divergent series. For multiplication of series is are like multiplying infinite quantities
such as (a_1+a_2+a_3)*(b_1+b_2+b_3) you have to distribute each term to each term and simplify. Thus Ʃan*Ʃbn≠ Ʃ(an*bn), which you made the assumption in your example.


I could be wrong, but this is what I have read.
 
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If you are taking a product of two divergent series, it will always be divergent. However I thought you meant term by term product, not simply taking two numbers (the sums) and multiplying together.
 

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