Do CI and MWI Interpret Quantum Probabilities Differently?

In summary: The answer is 1/2.The probability in MWI is determined by the relative settings of the two filters, just as it is for biological twins.The probability in MWI is determined by the relative settings of the two filters, just as it is for biological twins.
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Suppose we fire a photon P at a polarisation filter F1, and it passes the filter, thus forcing the polarisation of P in an eigenstate M1. Subsequently, the photon falls through a polarisation filter F2, forcing P in eigenstate M2.

Now, if I understand correctly, the probability of P passing F2, thus becoming in eigenstate M2 when in known eigenstate M1, can be exactly determined by the relative settings of F1 and F2.

So, we have P passing F2 with a known probability. Now, In CI the probability represents the factual state of P (M2 or the perpendicular to M2), while MWI allows for both M2 and perpendicular to M2. So, it seems as if in MWI both eigenstates (M2 and the perpendicular) both have a probability of 100% of occurring, only in two different worlds. So, it seems as if MWI contradicts the probabilistic nature of QM?

What is the explanation for this?
 
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What do you mean by "occurring"? Suppose I flip a coin and it comes up heads. Do you think that the fact that MWI says that it came up tails in another "world" which is completely unobservable to us means that the event of coming up tails actually "occurred"?
 
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What do you mean by "occurring"? Suppose I flip a coin and it comes up heads. Do you think that the fact that MWI says that it came up tails in another "world" which is completely unobservable to us means that the event of coming up tails actually "occurred"?

Yes, at least, that's the way I understood the interpretation of MWI.
 
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100% probability of occurring if you take all -four- "worlds" into account. Same probability of occurring in only one "world", 50% for each filter.

QM probabilistic predictions only apply to one "world".
 
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Suppose we fire a photon P at a polarisation filter F1, and it passes the filter, thus forcing the polarisation of P in an eigenstate M1. Subsequently, the photon falls through a polarisation filter F2, forcing P in eigenstate M2.

Now, if I understand correctly, the probability of P passing F2, thus becoming in eigenstate M2 when in known eigenstate M1, can be exactly determined by the relative settings of F1 and F2.

So, we have P passing F2 with a known probability. Now, In CI the probability represents the factual state of P (M2 or the perpendicular to M2), while MWI allows for both M2 and perpendicular to M2. So, it seems as if in MWI both eigenstates (M2 and the perpendicular) both have a probability of 100% of occurring, only in two different worlds. So, it seems as if MWI contradicts the probabilistic nature of QM?

What is the explanation for this?

Here's an analogy: You buy a lottery ticket. You have a one in 50,000,000 chance of winning the big prize. But on the other hand, you know that it is certain that somebody wins it.

Probability is consistent with absolute certainty, if you have lots of observers involved.
 
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Lottery is not a good analogy for MWI, because in lottery most of players do not win at all.

A much better analogy is biological twins. They are created by a cell splitting, after which two beings exist independently. They are almost identical, but differ in some minor details. For instance, one of them is slightly fatter than the other one. Then, if you have a twin brother, you may ask yourself what is the probability that you are the fatter one.
 

FAQ: Do CI and MWI Interpret Quantum Probabilities Differently?

What is CI and MWI?

CI (Copenhagen interpretation) and MWI (Many-Worlds interpretation) are two different interpretations of quantum mechanics, which is the branch of physics that deals with the behavior of particles on a very small scale.

What are the main differences between CI and MWI?

The main difference between CI and MWI lies in how they interpret the nature of reality. CI states that the act of observation collapses the wave function, resulting in a single outcome. MWI, on the other hand, suggests that all possible outcomes of a quantum event occur in parallel universes.

Which interpretation is more widely accepted?

Both CI and MWI have their supporters within the scientific community, but CI is generally considered the more widely accepted interpretation. This is because it is simpler and easier to understand, while MWI requires the acceptance of the existence of multiple parallel universes which is a more controversial concept.

Can CI and MWI both be true?

It is currently impossible to prove which interpretation is true as they are both just theories. However, it is possible that both interpretations could be true in different contexts. For example, CI may be more applicable to macroscopic objects while MWI may be more applicable to quantum systems.

How does the debate between CI and MWI impact our understanding of the universe?

The debate between CI and MWI has philosophical and practical implications for our understanding of the universe. It challenges our understanding of reality and the role of observers in shaping it. Additionally, the interpretation we choose can impact how we approach and conduct experiments in quantum mechanics.

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