Do momentum and kinetic energy operators always commute for a free particle?

In summary, for a particle in a box wave function, it is the eigenfunction of the kinetic energy operator but not the eigenfunction of the momentum operator. Therefore, it does not make sense to ask if these two operators commute. However, for a free particle, the wave function is an eigenfunction of both the kinetic energy operator and the momentum operator. This means that these operators commute, as the momentum of a free particle is conserved. However, when considering a particle in an infinite square well, defining a momentum operator becomes more complicated due to the need for self-adjoint extensions. In this case, there is no momentum operator conjugate to the radial coordinate.
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For particle in the box wave function, it is the eigenfunction of kinetic energy operator but not the eigenfunction of momentum operator. So, do these two operators commute? (or it has nothing to do with commutator stuff?)

How about for free particle? For free particle, the wave function is eigenfunction of both kinetic energy operator and momentum operator. So, does it mean these two operators do not commute?
 
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There's no momentum operator for a particle in a infinite square well. So it doesn't even make sense to ask the question whether momentum operator and Hamiltonian commute or not :-).

For the free particle, the momentum operators all commute with the Hamiltonian since the momentum of a free particle is conserved.
 
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vanhees71 said:
There's no momentum operator for a particle in a infinite square well.
There is. You couldn't define the hamiltonian without a momentum operator and you wouldn't have an uncertainty from [X,P]=ih1.
 
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cpsinkule said:
There is. You couldn't define the hamiltonian without a momentum operator and you wouldn't have an uncertainty from [X,P]=ih1.
Careful! This is a harder issue than it seems. The difficulty is defining a momentum operator for the inf-sq-well case in such a way that it is well-defined on the entire Hilbert space of that problem. This has been discussed at length in older threads. Hmm, now I'll have to go hunting to find one of them... :oldfrown:
 
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strangerep said:
Careful! This is a harder issue than it seems.

Indeed - its this Rigged Hilbert Space stuff which requires care.

The following examines it in the case of the square well:
http://arxiv.org/pdf/quant-ph/0110165v1.pdf

As can be seen its not exactly trivial.

Thanks
Bill
 
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strangerep said:
Careful! This is a harder issue than it seems. The difficulty is defining a momentum operator for the inf-sq-well case in such a way that it is well-defined on the entire Hilbert space of that problem. This has been discussed at length in older threads. Hmm, now I'll have to go hunting to find one of them... :oldfrown:
Unbounded operators are never defined on the entire Hilbert space. It's true that the momentum operator on ##L^2([a,b])## works differently, though. One starts with a dense domain such that ##p=-\mathrm i\partial_x## is symmetric. Such a domain can be found easily by restricting to continuously differentiable functions that vanish at the boundary. One can then study self-adjoint extensions using the von Neumann deficiency indices method. One finds that there are infinitely many self-adjoint extensions ##p_U##, labeled by ##U(1)## matrices (the deficiency spaces are 1-dimensional). They correspond to all possible choices of boundary conditions that keep the operator symmetric. Moreover, ##[x,p_U]=\mathrm i##, so each ##p_U## consitutes a possible momentum operator. Depending on the physical situation, one of these ##p_U## will be appropriate. Often, we choose Dirichlet boundary conditions or periodic boundary conditions for example.

However, there is a physically relevant example, where no self-adjoint extensions exist: ##L^2([0,\infty))##. So there is no momentum operator conjugate to the radial coordinate ##r##.
 
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FAQ: Do momentum and kinetic energy operators always commute for a free particle?

What is a commutator and how does it relate to kinetic energy?

A commutator is a mathematical operator that represents the difference between two quantities. In the context of kinetic energy, the commutator represents the difference between the kinetic energy of a system and its potential energy. It is used to calculate the total energy of a system, taking into account both its kinetic and potential energy.

How is the commutator used to calculate the total energy of a system?

The commutator is used in the Hamiltonian operator, which is a mathematical expression that describes the total energy of a system. By calculating the commutator of the kinetic energy and potential energy operators, the Hamiltonian operator can determine the total energy of the system.

What is the relationship between the commutator and the Heisenberg uncertainty principle?

The Heisenberg uncertainty principle states that it is impossible to know both the position and momentum of a particle with absolute certainty. The commutator of the position and momentum operators is a key component of the uncertainty principle, as it measures the degree of incompatibility between these two quantities.

Can the commutator of kinetic energy and potential energy ever equal zero?

Yes, the commutator of kinetic energy and potential energy can equal zero in certain cases, such as in the case of a free particle with constant potential energy. This means that the kinetic energy and potential energy operators commute, indicating that the total energy of the system is conserved.

How does the commutator of kinetic energy and potential energy affect the dynamics of a system?

The commutator of kinetic energy and potential energy plays a crucial role in determining the dynamics of a system. It is a fundamental part of the Schrödinger equation, which governs the time evolution of quantum systems. By understanding the commutator, scientists can better understand and predict the behavior of particles and systems.

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