Do you consider masturbation a sin?

[eNtRopY]

All those who think so raise your hand... well, that is after you wash it.

eNtRopY

 

[Iacchus32]

I think if there was any sin involed, it would have more to do with you're motives for doing it, i.e., what kind of mental imagery does it involve and what type of behavior are you trying to justify by doing it?

 

[einsteinian77]

who am I to say what is a sin and what isn't

 

[Les Sleeth]

Originally posted by eNtRopY
All those who think so raise your hand... well, that is after you wash it.

LOL!

Entropy, I am starting to suspect you are a troublemaker, second only to Saint.

 

[eNtRopY]

I'll bet that the three people who voted "yes" are either female or suffer from sexual dysfunction... or both.

eNtRopY

 

[Kerrie]

entropy, i would suggest you edit your stereotyped comment towards females or i will do it for you

 

[eNtRopY]

My point is simply that ALL men masturbate or have at least masturbated.

From what I've read most women masturbate as well... something like 60%. But maybe that just means 40% are lying about it.

eNtRopY

 

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

Originally posted by eNtRopY
I'll bet that the three people who voted "yes" are either female or suffer from sexual dysfunction... or both.

eNtRopY

Yes, naturally, thinking that maybe they were maybe "married", and led "Spiritual lives", in their 'marriages', would simply be, what?? "honest and thoughtful", Oooooppps!

 

[eNtRopY]

Are you saying that married men don't masturbate?

eNtRopY

 

[Kerrie]

Originally posted by eNtRopY
My point is simply that ALL men masturbate or have at least masturbated.

From what I've read most women masturbate as well... something like 60%. But maybe that just means 40% are lying about it.

eNtRopY

just because a woman chooses not to masturbate doesn't mean she thinks it is sinful...

 

[Andy]

How can something that's good for you be a sin?

 

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

Probably in a similar manner to vitamin A, which, in large enough doses is lethal.

Sexual relations outside of marriage are considered a sort of Spiritual Breach of person.

See 'Morally Turpid' for better understandings of legalities in "Natural Moral Law".

Playing with your teeth with your fingers, if they are hurting, seems to feel good, but it is the best pathway to an infection possibly abcessing. (SP?)

 

[eNtRopY]

I once read an article that said that men who do not ejaculate at least once every two weeks are at a much higher risk of becoming impotent than those who do. So, a moderate amount of masturbation (if sexual intercourse is not available) is actually recommended by most urologists.

I predict that in the future, there will be a smaller percentage of men who suffer from the condition of impotence simply because people are becoming less submissive to traditional religious dogma as time progresses.

eNtRopY

 

[Andy]

It is also supposed to help reduce the risk of getting prostate cancer.

 

[einsteinian77]

What about all the sperm that gets killed per ejaculation. Considering there is about 20-150 million of them per milliliter, that's a lot.

 

[Kerrie]

i think most of today's (american at least) don't seem to think that masturbation is a sin...

 

[Les Sleeth]

Well, if we are going to talk about this seriously, then the fact that someone might even consider masterbation a "sin" tell us a lot. Some fool, a long time ago, decided sex takes us away from God, and needed to be shamed. Big mistake.

Shaming a biological drive that cannot be suppressed without popping up morphed elsewhere almost always leads to some sort of dysfunctional situation.

Christianity can take much of the responsibility for this shaming in Western culture, and it still is quite strong both in fundamentalist doctrine, and among the population. Masterbation, my father told me, gives you pimples (after seeing one on my cheek).

So why would sex be associated with heading away from God (i.e., sin)? Well, the simple answer is that people do tend to get obsessed with what feels good, which is why there are addicts of all varieties. The thought was, I believe, that rather than take the chance of getting obsessed with something that feels so good, reject it. After all, hell is the danger one faces! Of course, that's if one buys all the silliness of hell and sin.

Why would God care if we fool around or masterbate? It's trivial! In both cases we have the means to do it safely and within the boundaries of a relationship. Besides, if God is really wise, then he/she/it had to have known something that feels so good is going to be done all the time by we little feel-good machines.

So I say, masterbate if you want, if it helps. For some people the sex drive is so intense they'd go nuts if they didn't have that release, married or not. As long as no one is harmed, I can't see what's wrong with it. Some married couples even work that into their relationship with the goal of enjoying their mate's sexuality fully.

And what if one is trying to get close to God? Well, maybe one day, when the drive has settled down, and you want to focus less on sex, then that can happen too. I really don't think God would mind at all someone being horny if one is equally or more passionate in their inner devotion.

 

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

It would be something alone the lines of "just what" are you learning in having multiple partners.

NOT the intimacy that is available to two people who select to stay with each other, exclusively, but the "mulitiplicity of partnerings" that arises from having indulged, in you heart, in a plenitude of personality types, (but by visual judgment alone) without their personalities present, such that, your judgmental abilities are waaaaay off when it comes to crunch (actual selection) time.

Spent so many a days dreaming of a "Perfect Body" image in your brain, and it might not be even close to what is actually the right 'character' type for you, never mind 'body' type, 'personality' type etc.

A good (possible) pathway of self deception, leading yourself astray, if I ever heard of one.

But clearly, it's been in the local papers, it's agreed, it is good for you health wise, just people need pay respect to the spiritual, else they become lost, even more then they already are.

Choose for yourself, that way you are respocible!

 

[eNtRopY]

Originally posted by Mr. Robin Parsons
Choose for yourself, that way you are respocible!

... and that's one to grow on...

* sparkling banner appears with caption that says the more you know *

* dee dee dee dee *

eNtRopY

 

[eNtRopY]

Originally posted by Andy
So you have never "spanked the monkey", "bashed the bishop", "helped the one eyed milkman", or "slapped the solami"?

What are you talking about? He does that everytime he thinks he slamming us in the General Forums.

eNtRopY

 

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

Originally posted by eNtRopY
What are you talking about? He does that everytime he thinks he slamming us in the General Forums.

eNtRopY

And with this lovely commnet eNtRopY 'titles' all of his mates, ascribing to them the characteristic of being the object that gets the slappin!

Nice to know just how you think of your friends there ent.

Originally posted by Andy
So you have never "spanked the monkey", "bashed the bishop", "helped the one eyed milkman", or "slapped the solami"?

Andy, I am 47 years old, so yes! I have!
(To pretend differently, well, that would be stupid/idiotic)

PS Andy you forgot (or don't know?) several of the expressions, to state the least!

 

[Andy]

I guessed i had missed out on some, but you obviously have more experience than me when it comes to "polishing your tool".

 

[Les Sleeth]

Originally posted by Andy
So you have never "spanked the monkey", "bashed the bishop", "helped the one eyed milkman", or "slapped the solami"?

Andy, since you failed to include women's terms on that list, it is blatently sexist.

Kerrie . . . are you going to deal with this?

 

[Les Sleeth]

Originally posted by Mr. Robin Parsons
It would be something alone the lines of "just what" are you learning in having multiple partners.

NOT the intimacy that is available to two people who select to stay with each other, exclusively, but the "mulitiplicity of partnerings" that arises from having indulged, in you heart, in a plenitude of personality types, (but by visual judgment alone) without their personalities present, such that, your judgmental abilities are waaaaay off when it comes to crunch (actual selection) time.

Spent so many a days dreaming of a "Perfect Body" image in your brain, and it might not be even close to what is actually the right 'character' type for you, never mind 'body' type, 'personality' type etc.

A good (possible) pathway of self deception, leading yourself astray, if I ever heard of one.

But clearly, it's been in the local papers, it's agreed, it is good for you health wise, just people need pay respect to the spiritual, else they become lost, even more then they already are.

Choose for yourself, that way you are respocible!

Yes, but people fantasize about the "perfect" partner whether they masterbate or not. That is not only a sexual thing, it's also part of people wanting to be with someone they can love, share with, and legitimately lust after.

As far as what someone learns by fantasizing about "a plentitude of partners," why do we have to learn from everything we do? Some things I do just for pure enjoyment, and I don't see why pleasuring myself can't be one of them.

The problem, as I see it, is attaching any sort of morality to sex. That leads to the sense of shame which in our culture has either stifled a healthy sexual life, or made someone want sex more than they naturally would if left alone. Sex is not "good" or "bad" morally, it is simply part of our nature.

But leaving morality out of it doesn't mean there aren't practical consideratons. It may not be "bad" to screw everybody in town or masterbate all day long, but it definitely can cause one problems.

I would love to see people drop all the moralistic high-ground crap about sex, and just have fun with it. If we did that, and without hurting others or oneself, then I say Western culture would be a lot healthier sexually (and we are NOT that healthy when it comes to sex).

 

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

Originally posted by LW Sleeth
(SNIP) As far as what someone learns by fantasizing about "a plentitude of partners," why do we have to learn from everything we do? (SNoP)

Well, it is something about "Learning from Everything that you Do", otherwise you are, really, purposefully, wasting your own time.

(In My opinion)

As for the fantasizing about a "Perfect Partner", leads to dis-satisfaction, with whomever you end up with, as they will never meet that standard, so you are setting yourself up for failure!??

 

[Andy]

Andy, since you failed to include women's terms on that list, it is blatently sexist.

Anyone else would apolagise for such blatent sexism.

 

[cmdr_sponge]

some would add suggestions to balance the argument. consider 'flicking the bean'.

 

[eNtRopY]

Administrator:

Thank you for cutting my perfectly non-offensive reply. It's nice the way you let certain individuals casually throw around insults, yet you won't let me tell someone to simply grow up.

eNtRopY

 

[BoulderHead]

Originally posted by eNtRopY
I once read an article that said that men who do not ejaculate at least once every two weeks are at a much higher risk of becoming impotent than those who do. So, a moderate amount of masturbation (if sexual intercourse is not available) is actually recommended by most urologists.
eNtRopY

Originally posted by Andy
It is also supposed to help reduce the risk of getting prostate cancer.

Ok, here is what I’ve been told about it;
The concern is not about impotence, it’s about prostate cancer. Your ejaculations need to be regular, not sporadic. The frequency was not as important as just being sure you kept them on schedule. In other words, and to display it graphically;

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
This is Ok

**********************************
So is this

* *** ** * * ***** * * * ** ** * *** ** *
But this is not Ok.

Here’s another story for you;
One Crazy man I knew claimed that another ‘secret’ (beside the one previously mentioned and Saw Palmetto) was trying to expel as much fluid from the prostate as possible when ejaculating. He recommended the ‘Dog-Style’ claiming it worked best at getting this job done. Now, he had prostate cancer and even though his tilly was dripping blood and his urethra had been pinched closed by the swelling such that he had to self-insert a catheter each time he needed to urinate, he refused to get ‘re-plumbed’ (if you know what I mean: he feared losing his prostate and being rendered impotent). He lived with this condition for over a decade and I’m not sure if he has died yet or not, having lost contact with him now for a good many years…

Originally posted by einsteinian77
What about all the sperm that gets killed per ejaculation. Considering there is about 20-150 million of them per milliliter, that's a lot.

Yes, that is a lot, but think about it;
Even when conception occurs nearly all those millions die, and many times no conception occurs at all. Perhaps more death and destruction take place than is tolerable each time the ol’ fountain goes off despite the location of the spout?

… That tears it; I demand a ban on ALL ejaculations !

 

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

Originally posted by BoulderHead

… That tears it; I demand a ban on ALL ejaculations !

Cheese, what are you going to give me if I tell you that I killed a mosquito, the other morning, in my tent. One of "The Fat and the Fed" that hang around, then try to get out when I open the screening.

Got blood all over my hand when I knocked it forwards, and then snatched it out of the air, squishing it, Irony was, it was my blood!

Scared of what this dudes a going to do to me, that's for shhhuure!

 

[megashawn]

I find it interesting that if you look at the bible for the answer to this, not only is it considered a sin, but it is better to sleep with a prostitute then to masterbate.

Poor lot got caught doing the solo nasty, and God killed him for it.

I believe that is where the line "Don't spill your seed on the floor" came from.

Then, either that same story or maybe in deuteronomy (Spelling) it says "Your seed is better in the belly of a whore then spilled out on the ground".


So, does this mean if we all adopt a christian point of view that prostitution can become legal and I can finally pursue my dream of being a pimp?

Wheres my baby powder?

 

[Andy]

Administrator:

Thank you for cutting my perfectly non-offensive reply. It's nice the way you let certain individuals casually throw around insults, yet you won't let me tell someone to simply grow up.

eNtRopY

I agree, i am sure that i posted a non offensive reply, it was so obvious that it was a joke that (evidently almost) everyone would have laughed and not taken offense to it.

 

[BoulderHead]

...Then, either that same story or maybe in deuteronomy (Spelling) it says "Your seed is better in the belly of a whore then spilled out on the ground".

It has been a while since I wasted any time reading scripture, but there is no passage I know of in the Bible saying that. It appears to have been derived in part from the story of Onan, who cast his seed on the ground rather than shoot same into his brother’s wife… (He had no probs doing his dead brother’s wife, apparently, but didn’t want to impregnate the woman). More for failing in his duty to extend his Brother’s line did the evil-one strike him dead, than because he ‘spilled it’ on the ground. The moral of the story;
When god and custom/law command you to ejaculate, you’re supposed to shout “how much, and where?”

 

[Andy]

The moral of the story;
When god and custom/law command you to ejaculate, you’re supposed to shout “how much, and where?”

So what your saying is that God is a porn film director! And that the film is life, so therefore life must be one big porn film!

 

[megashawn]

ya, i got the names confused. I can't find the stuff I'm reffering to, but I'll get that info soon.


To life being a porn flic, do you think there is any chance of us starting a religion based on this interpretation?