Documenting the setup of my new telescope

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In summary, the document outlines the step-by-step process of setting up a new telescope, including selecting an appropriate location, assembling the components, calibrating the equipment, and tips for aligning the optics. It emphasizes the importance of careful handling and adjustments to ensure optimal viewing experiences. Additionally, it shares insights on initial observations and troubleshooting common issues.
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This thread is for documenting the setup of my new telescope.

It's not completely new, I'll be using some peripherals from the old telescope, such as the camera, filter wheel, off-axis guider (OAG), mini PC, focuser, etc. But the optical tube assembly (OTA), mount and tripod are new.

Also new are some filters, which is where we start today.

I'm replacing the old 2" Optolong filter set with new Antila, 3 nm, narrowband filters plus some Baader LRGB filters. Notable changes are:
  • New filters are 50.4 mm round, unmounted. The usable diameter is slightly larger than the 2", threaded filters, which should lead to a tad less vignetting with the camera's full frame sensor.
  • I'm no longer going to use a broadband light pollution filter for luminance (I was using the Optolong LPro filter). Instead, I'll be using a simple UV/IR cut filter. The light pollution filter made sense back when low pressure soduim lights were more commonly used in streetlights. But with the proliferation of LED lights, the justification for a light pollution filter is dwindling, Also, Optolong doesn't make a 50.4 mm round, unmounted package for their LPro filter anyway. I'll still use it in the smaller telescope setup for now, but no longer in the big telescope setup.
  • I've heard good things about the Antlia, 3 nm narrowband filters, so I'm looking forward to giving them a try.
  • The old, 2", threaded, Optolong narrowband filters have served me well, and I plan on eventually swapping them over to the smaller telescope setup (which uses the APS-C size sensor, and thus won't suffer for vingetting by these filters). You may have caught me complaining about the halos in the smaller telescope setup that presently uses Baader narrowband filters. The Optolong narrowband filters might be a tad bit better in this respect.

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Figure 1. Me getting started on filter replacement.

I've had it up to here with dust getting on filters and camera window. So I didn't mess around, and got a cheapy, laminar flow hood thing.

Getting dust on the telescope's objective or corrector plate isn't that big of a deal, but getting dust on the filters or camera window is a huge pain. Taking flat frames helps (and I'm a stickler for flat frames), but it doesn't always eliminate the effects of dust motes completely.

Unfortunately, I don't think these measures were enough. The flow out of the hood thing isn't all that laminar, and let's face it: my home is too intrinsically spooky to eliminate all the dust. It doesn't help that my favorite decorations are piles of dust and cobwebs.

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Figure 2. New filters now secured in place.

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Figure 3. Filter wheel is now screwed into the camera, and time to close 'er up.

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jedishrfu said:
Considering the situation are the suit and mask a little bit overkill?

They're pretty standard clean-room attire. The bigger problem for me is the room itself.

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What if you made a fish tank glovebox container to limit the dust while you work on it?

https://www.labcompare.com/General-...e/?compare=783,16856425,784,782,785&catid=135

Something like that would work nicely. The only problems are that they are bulky and expensive. But otherwise, yeah, maybe I should have gone with that.

I think next time though I might go back to the old method: In the middle of a calm, cloudy night, I quietly and carefully sneak up to the filter wheel and clean the filters, hopefully before the dust realizes what's happening.
 
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You said Alnitak was the bane of astronomers. I think it's dust. Both the kind on your optics and the kind between stars.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
You said Alnitak was the bane of astronomers. I think it's dust. Both the kind on your optics and the kind between stars.

Although the dust between stars can be pretty.

Btw, did you know the lead guitarist for Queen, Brian May, relatively recently finished his PhD dissertation involving space dust?

(https://phys.org/news/2008-07-brian-guitarist-band-queen-phd.html)
 
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Whenever I am in an astronomy seminar and am expected to ask a question, my go to is "but what about dust?"
 
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Before the new scope goes up for the first time, I must strip and tear down the old scope for the last time -- the last time for at least a little while anyway (not forever).

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Figure 1. Here's an image with all the peripherals (except for the camera, OAG, and filter wheel which were already removed) and cables and such still attached.

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Figure 2. All stripped down now.

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Figure 3. All stripped down, other side, plus a lens flare.

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Figure 4. Back in its JMI case. That took a bit of doing. I am out of shape. The next big step (in the future) for this scope is to open up that bottom panel and finally replace the coin cell battery powering the real-time clock (RTC), which has been dead for a couple of years now, and re-lube the right ascension gears.

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Figure 5. Tripod and equatorial wedge.

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Figure 6. All packed up for now. Waaahh! :H I miss you already and love you sooo much! Waahh! :H
 
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Dumb question - do the filters have the same bands as they use in professional astronomy/photometry, e.g. V, B, etc. ? Or are they matched more towards consumer camera colors?
 
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Wow thats some scope. I’ve liked astronomy since i was ten and got my first Zim guide The Stars and Planets.

I’ve progressed from binoculars to an Edmund stovepipe scope with poor optics. More recently i got an 8” Orion reflector with a dobsonian mount.

But I got tired real quick with moving it from inside to outside and back. I downsized to a smaller 4” Orion casegrainian reflector and use 10x50 binocs just perusing the sky and using an app to identify things of interest.

We don't have the best viewing in Austin as there is too much light pollution. I can see things like Orion and the planets but not the beauty of the milky way across the sky.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Dumb question - do the filters have the same bands as they use in professional astronomy/photometry, e.g. V, B, etc. ? Or are they matched more towards consumer camera colors?

The filters that I have anyway, are strictly for a monochrome (black and white) camera. The ones in the new setup are:
  • L: Just a UV/IR cut filter, only passing the visible spectrum.
  • R: Red. Only passing the red part of the spectrum
  • G: Green. Only passing the green part of the spectrum
  • B: Blue. Only passing the blue part of the spectrum.
  • S-II: Sulfur-II. Only passing a very narrow, 3 nm bandwidth of the spectrum centered at 672.4 nm wavelength. That's a pretty deep red part of the spectrum.
  • Hα: Hydrogen-alpha. Only passing a very narrow, 3 nm bandwidth of the spectrum centered at 656.3 nm wavelength. That's also in the red part of the spectrum, but not as deep as the S-II.
  • O-III: Oxygen-III Only passing a very narrow, 3 nm bandwidth of the spectrum centered at 500.7 nm. That's in the blue-green part of the spectrum.

What constitutes as Red, Blue, or Green depends on the manufacturer of the filters. Some manufacturers make them with a bit of overlap, while others intentionally leave a gap between Red and Green, for example, where common sources of light pollution would have been, were low pressure sodium lamps still common. So as far as the RGB filters go, it really depends on the manufacturer.

S-II, Hα, and O-III are common, narrowband wavelengths emitted by emission nebula in space from sulfur, hydrogen, and oxygen respectively. They are nice for shooting emission nebula because they:
  • Block out nearly all the light pollution, while passing the emission nebula signal.
  • Block out much of the light from the nearby stars in the area, accentuating the nebulosity, specifically.
As a general rule of thumb, the more narrow the bandwidth of the narrowband filters, the more expensive they are. But narrower bandwidths also means better signal to noise ratios. Also, this gets more complicated if you are using a "fast" optical train (i.e., low f-number) because the filter's response is dependent upon the angle that the light hits it. Fast optics mean a more angled light cone, and thus narrowband filter response might suffer.

It's important to note that reflection nebula, dark nebula (i.e., dust lanes), globular clusters, etc., do not benefit from narrowband filters. So if you're shooting something like the Pleiades (M45), you're better off with RGB filters.

Galaxies are a special case. Most of the data from a galaxy will be obtained using broadband filters (LRGB), but you can also benefit from some data from say, Hα, which will accentuate the nebulosity from within the other galaxy. Yes, other galaxies have nebulae too.

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[Edit: By the way, there are narrowband filters made specifically for color cameras that work together with the Bayer matrix of the color camera sensor. These are usually "dual band," narrowband filters that allow two of the three narroband wavelengths to pass, then you can separate and combine them in the processing of the data. I don't use these though since my camera is monochrome.]
 
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Professional photometry uses five major filters, plus specialized ones like your sulfur: U (ultraviolet), B (blue), V (visible), R (red) and I (infrared). B-V is called a color index, and is a poor man's spectral class: photometry is fast and spectroscopy is slow. If the stare had the same magnitude in B and V, it would likely be near an A; if it were redder, say a magnitude brighter in V than B, it would be a K or M.

Obviously, these need to be calibrated so that my B-V is the same as your B-V.

I know they do this for galaxies as well as stars, although I have never done this, as a fast way of getting redshifts. One can get a sample of galaxies lijely to be atr the Z on interest, and then follow up with spectroscopy. In the process, it was discovered that there are spirals that appear red, not because they aree redshifted, but because they are actually red.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Professional photometry uses five major filters, plus specialized ones like your sulfur: U (ultraviolet), B (blue), V (visible), R (red) and I (infrared). B-V is called a color index, and is a poor man's spectral class: photometry is fast and spectroscopy is slow. If the stare had the same magnitude in B and V, it would likely be near an A; if it were redder, say a magnitude brighter in V than B, it would be a K or M.

Obviously, these need to be calibrated so that my B-V is the same as your B-V.

I know they do this for galaxies as well as stars, although I have never done this, as a fast way of getting redshifts. One can get a sample of galaxies lijely to be atr the Z on interest, and then follow up with spectroscopy. In the process, it was discovered that there are spirals that appear red, not because they aree redshifted, but because they are actually red.

I can't speak for professional astronomers, but companies like Baader Planetarium (who's filters I've used pretty extensively) and Chroma (who's filters I haven't used because they are so incredibly expensive, but are probably the best out there) both make filters targeted toward photometry, and also astronomy and astrophotography.

So to answer your original question, yes, some are from the same filter manufacturers, and no, I only have 7 positions in my filter wheel, so I have to choose which filters to use wisely, and I just use the ones specifically for astrophotography. Price is often an issue too.

Some of these filters are targeted toward professional and amateur astronomers alike. But amateur astrophotographers might lean toward cheaper brands. But if you have the money, Chroma filters are an option. I'm guessing Chroma filters are used by professionals quite a bit.
 
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Some progress made.

Here's the box that contained the pier tripod.

(Also shipped with the pier tripod were a couple of counterweights [not shown], but were packaged separately, in addition to a third counterweight that I purchased separately.) The mount head was shipped separately, in its own box [also not shown here].

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Figure 1. Pier tripod box. This one looked a bit more beat-up than the other boxes.

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Figure 2. Contents of the pier tripod box immediately after opening. Uh, oh. That doesn't look quite right.

It seems the pier tripod box didn't do so well in the shipping. Fortunately nothing is missing or broken. But, yeah, there are some superficial scratches to the finish, since some of the items were banging around loose. Otherwise it looks to be fine. I'll chalk it up to battle scars.

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Figure 3. Pier tripod directly out of the box. I guess it survived quite well.

I moved the pier tripod outside, and man, that thing is heavy. I am out of shape, but even if I wasn't, man, that thing is solid and heavy.

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Figure 4. Pier tripod in new location.

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Figure 5. Pier tripod, partially set up. I temporarily placed a couple of counterweights under the pier shaft as part of this process, as directed by the instruction manual.

The mount head was packaged separately, and that box fared just fine. No problems on that front. the mount head is also heavy, but the built-in handles helped a lot.

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Figure 5. Mount head attached to pier tripod.

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Here's the mount with counterweights attached. I also moved the whole thing a little bit to the north, in an effort to optimize my sky area.

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Figure 1. Mount and pier tripod fully assembled.

And now for the optical tube assembly (OTA).

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Figure 2. C14 EdgeHD in its box.

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Figure 3. OTA ready to be attached to mount. If I can figure out how to lift it up on the thing, that is.

Getting the OTA lifted up and attached to the mount was a bit tricky, and there was an aborted attempt as a first try. I eventually engineered a solution [not shown] involving 1) removing the counterweights, 2) lifting the OTA up onto a small but sturdy side-table such that the OTA is resting on its lens cap, 3) attaching the OTA to the mount's saddle such that the counterweight shaft is in the horizontal position, 4) re-installing the counterweights to achive right ascension (RA) balance while the OTA is still safely on the table, and 5) carefully rotating the RA and declination (Dec) back to home position (lifting the OTA off the table in the process) and then adjusting the OTA's position in the saddle to achieve Dec balance.

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Figure 4. While it is technically possible for one person to attach to the OTA to the mount, it really aught to be a two person job.

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Figure 5. Pier tripod, mount, and OTA all together now.

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Figure 4. While it is technically possible for one person to attach to the OTA to the mount, it really aught to be a two person job.
You managed with a skeleton crew.
 
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collinsmark said:
Figure 4.
Holding my breath when you get around to attach the wires ...
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collinsmark said:
Figure 4. While it is technically possible for one person to attach to the OTA to the mount, it really aught to be a two person job.
Gosh, that looks like serious equipment! :smile:

The tripod and mount looks very sturdy and nicely done!
 
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More progress.

I attached most of the camera and control peripherals, and got everything pretty much balanced today. Always remember when balancing your scope: Dew shield on and lens cap off, just like you would when imaging. That includes making sure the camera is attached.

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Figure 1. More progress getting things attached to the scope.

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Figure 2. From right to left (after the telescope): focal reducer, focuser, off axis guider (OAG), filter wheel, and camera. The spacing is just about right for the ideal 146.05 mm of backfocus (spacing between the reducer and the sensor plane) of the C14 EdgeHD + reducer.

Cable management is off to a good start. But I should eventually secure the cables better before all is said and done.

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Figure 3. Power distribution and control.

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Figure 4. I was also able to get polar alignment off to a start.

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Figure 5. The sky was clear enough to calibrate the focus offsets for the filters.

Calibrating the filter offsets (focus offsets for the filters) is a tedious process, but very beneficial in the long run. The idea is to calibrate and record the difference in optimal focus between the L filter and each of the other filters. Then when imaging, N.I.N.A. automatically switches to the L filter for focusing, then after the autofocus, applies an offset to the focus position before switching back to the filter to be used. This can allow you to speed up the autofocus routine significantly when imaging, saving precious time.

I still have a lot more stuff to do, mostly calibration, such as the periodic error correction (PEC) curve, the PHD2 guiding calibration, and re-doing polar alignment. These are usually done best in an iterative loop. (Two or three times should suffice). I would have got started on that already, but the clouds came in.
 
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What focal ratio will you be imaging at?
 
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collinsmark said:
Here's the mount with counterweights attached. I also moved the whole thing a little bit to the north, in an effort to optimize my sky area.
Thanks for posting this process- it's been fascinating! Question- do you leave this system outside all the time? If so, I assume you have a shroud/tarp to cover it... just curious how you keep it 'stored' when not in use.
 
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What focal ratio will you be imaging at?

With the 0.7x focal reducer, which I plan/hope to use for most of my deep sky imaging, the effective focal ratio (measured) is f/7.79. That's with an effective focal length of f = 2770 mm.

You might think that's slow. But for me it's step faster (The Meade was at effectively f = 2880 and f/11). I don't mind taking my time with targets. It gives me a chance to relax.

Most amateur astronomers/astrophotographers have gravitated to faster setups these days. Which is fine; I get it. I plan on finding my niche not so much with big and fainter targets, but rather with somewhat brighter but smaller targets. (I do have a lot of light pollution to deal with.)

I plan on occasionally removing the focal reducer, where the native focal ratio for this scope is f/11 at f = 3857 mm (according to specs). This setup is gonna kill it at planetary (that's where this scope really shines).
 
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Andy Resnick said:
Thanks for posting this process- it's been fascinating! Question- do you leave this system outside all the time? If so, I assume you have a shroud/tarp to cover it... just curious how you keep it 'stored' when not in use.

I bring some parts of the telescopes inside frequently but not necessarily everything. I'm always fiddling with something anyway. But let me just say that TeleGizmos 365 series covers have changed my world for the better regarding amateur astronomy.

http://www.telegizmos.com/365 sizes and prices page 2.htm

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These things are a game changer. They protect the equipment from direct sunlight, rain, storms, the whole kit-and-caboodle.

Amateur astronomy has an old saying, usually given to advice to people looking to buy a new telescope, "The best telescope is the one that gets used." It is good, sound advice.

And these TeleGizmos 365 series covers fit right into that mantra. I have nothing but good things to say about these products. They are 100% at or near the top of my favorite pieces of astronomy equipment.
 
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And these TeleGizmos 365 series covers fit right into that mantra. I have nothing but good things to say about these products. They are 100% at or near the top of my favorite pieces of astronomy equipment.
Thanks for the info!

Here, I can't leave anything outside - even overnight- for a few reasons (primarily theft, but also winter weather). I guess I was also wondering if you have to prevent critters- especially ants and other bugs, for example- from crawling in, eating the wires, and/or making nests.
 
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Andy Resnick said:
Thanks for the info!

Here, I can't leave anything outside - even overnight- for a few reasons (primarily theft, but also winter weather). I guess I was also wondering if you have to prevent critters- especially ants and other bugs, for example- from crawling in, eating the wires, and/or making nests.

I don't do much of anything regarding critters. But I live in San Diego, so critters are not a big issue. As long as I keep the scope active as much as possible, there isn't much opportunity for potential critters to make themselves comfortable.

There is a neighborhood cat that has seemingly become interested in the telescope/astronomy. She comes to visit and keep tabs on things occasionally.

[Edit: Oh, I almost forget, once I had a small bug that somehow made it into the filter wheel. At first I thought it was a dust mote. But it kept moving around on its own. Fortunately that doesn't happen often.]
 
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collinsmark said:
I bring some parts of the telescopes inside frequently but not necessarily everything. I'm always fiddling with something anyway. But let me just say that TeleGizmos 365 series covers have changed my world for the better regarding amateur astronomy.

http://www.telegizmos.com/365 sizes and prices page 2.htm
Thanks for this link, @collinsmark! I'll keep it mind!
I've actually been thinking of trying to store my (all manual) tripod/mount for my Sky-Watcher scope outside, mainly to save space.
 
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collinsmark said:
With the 0.7x focal reducer, which I plan/hope to use for most of my deep sky imaging, the effective focal ratio (measured) is f/7.79. That's with an effective focal length of f = 2770 mm.

You might think that's slow. But for me it's step faster (The Meade was at effectively f = 2880 and f/11). I don't mind taking my time with targets. It gives me a chance to relax.

Most amateur astronomers/astrophotographers have gravitated to faster setups these days.
Yeah, that's where I'm at/why I asked. I've been thinking of upgrading too, and going in the other direction. Lately I've mostly been imaging with my ES127 at 667 mm or f/5.25. My limitations include mount/tracking, seeing and cloudy skies. In your area you probably go weeks at a time without seeing a sky you can't image in, but for me I only get a few days a month, and never more than about 3 in a row. So I've been thinking of upgrading to a big Newt....love your mount though.
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This setup is gonna kill it at planetary (that's where this scope really shines).
Yeah, that's the downside for me if i get a Newt. I still like planetary imaging and my C-11 is good but getting older. But again, my biggest limit is probably seeing, not aperture.

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I bring some parts of the telescopes inside frequently but not necessarily everything. I'm always fiddling with something anyway. But let me just say that TeleGizmos 365 series covers have changed my world for the better regarding amateur astronomy.

http://www.telegizmos.com/365 sizes and prices page 2.htm

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These things are a game changer. They protect the equipment from direct sunlight, rain, storms, the whole kit-and-caboodle.
Yeah, my mount is almost old enough to vote, and spends most of its time outside in the northeast US. Since I installed the pier in 2017 it has only left the deck a handful of times, to travel. I do also leave telescopes out for a few days at a time if I know I'm going to get good weather for imaging. And for the eclipse coming up, I hope to set up the night before so I can get a decent polar alignment. [edit] My biggest risk isn't the environment when it's under cover, it's condensation overnight while I'm using it. It's often not much less than if it had been rained on.

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DennisN said:
Thanks for this link, @collinsmark! I'll keep it mind!
I've actually been thinking of trying to store my (all manual) tripod/mount for my Sky-Watcher scope outside, mainly to save space.

@DennisN, I didn't mention this before, but if you do choose to go the route of a telescope cover, you might wish to consider some method of a dehumidifier. There are many ways to do this. It doesn't have to be anything too elaborate (although it could be. Be creative!) but you might want to consider at least a small something.

The danger of condensation happens in the situation where:
  • It's humid, as in near 100% relative humidity, and
  • for whatever reason, the ambient temperature is rising, such that the ambient temperature is slightly warmer than the current temperature of your telescope.

This might happen on a wet, humid morning, say, after it rained, when the telescope and cover are not in direct sunlight. The telescope acts kind of like a can of cold beer on a warm day.

I use a "rechargeable" desiccant cartridge marketed for the guns and ammo community. I have an extra cartridge. Every time I uncover the telescope I'll swap the moist and dry cartridges in the "charging"/drying receptacle, such that there's always a dry one at the ready.

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Before putting the cover back on the telescope, I'll take the dry cartridge, put it in a mesh bag, and hang it on the telescope.

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So far, this method has worked fine for me. But again, there are other methods. I've heard of some people even using clumpable cat litter.

Here is "Cuiv, The Lazy Geek," giving a 15-minute review of the TeleGizmos 365 series covers, after 5 years of use:

 
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This thread has me thinking seriously about what scope I'd like to upgrade to once I move out to West Nowhere and can set a pier down :) Definitely an astrograph, maybe a 130mm - 150mm refractor or a 12" - 16" R-C or Dall-Kirkham truss tube. Plus accessories. Plus a new mount. Plus...

Sigh....
 
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collinsmark said:
@DennisN, I didn't mention this before, but if you do choose to go the route of a telescope cover, you might wish to consider some method of a dehumidifier.
Excellent, thank you!
Yes, I've definitely been thinking about the problem of humidity.
And all those cold, early mornings in the summer has shown me how much water get deposited on my equipment :biggrin:.

Furthermore, I saw one video a while ago by Nico Carver (Nebula Photos) where he consulted a professional architect :biggrin: for his "dream observatory" (and if I remember correctly the architect talked about this problem in the video):

I Get Advice from an Architect on my Observatory Build


(I also saw now that Nico Carver has uploaded more videos about his observatory build on his youtube channel here)
 
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Andy Resnick said:
Plus accessories. Plus a new mount. Plus...
...it's the NeverEnding story :smile:.
 
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DennisN said:
...it's the NeverEnding story :smile:.
Tell me about it...photomicroscopy is the same :)

It seems vaguely misleading that the cost of an OTA (or lens equivalent) represents at most 50% of the cost of a minimally-functioning astrophotography setup.
 
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After a couple weeks of clouds and rain ("atmospheric rivers" they are being called by the media), I finally had a clear night to get a little more testing done.

One of the first things I need to test with this setup is to get the backfocus spacing more-or-less correct. The critical backfocus spacing is the distance between the field flatterer optics (or in my case the 0.7x focal reducer) and the sensor plane. It's important that the spacing be a certain amount. Too much error in either direction -- too close or too far -- and the stars and anything else will be distorted and blurred around the edges and corners of the frame.

The C14 EdgeHD optical system (including the 0.7x reducer) require a backfocus spacing of 146.05 mm. But there's a bit of wiggle room. If it's off by +/- a half centimeter or so, it's not that big of deal. I'm taking advantage of this wiggle room with the fine focuser. I adjust the telescope's main focus knob for coarse focus, which moves the primary mirror back and forth (but has no effect on backfocus spacing). Then the electronic focuser is used for fine focus, which adjusts the backfocus spacing a little bit, changing the focus as a result. As long as the electronic focuser's travel is centered rougly on or around the optimal backfocus spacing, I should be OK.

So the point of my testing last night was to get the center of the electronic focuser's focus travel in that "sweet spot." I did this by adding or removing various spacers between the electronic focuser and off-axis guider (OAG), then testing.

BackfocusSpacingTesting.jpg

Figure 1. A few spacer tubes (of various lengths) were inserted between the electronic focuser (the vomit-green colored thing) and the OAG. This was not the final configuration, by the way; it was too much spacing.

BackfocusSpacingFinal.jpg

Figure 2. Final configuration. I got very acceptable results with just a single spacer tube, shown here. By the way, if you're curious, that knob on the back of the telescope with the orange ring around it is the telescope's main focus knob. That's what I use for coarse focus.

After getting the spacing acceptable, I took a couple screenshots of NINA, while the telescope was pointing to NGC 2301 (Great Bird Cluster).

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Figure 3. Screenshot of NGC 2301used for testing backfocus spacing. It's just a 10 second, single exposure, no calibration or processing. [Edit: "autostretch" is applied though, of course.] The vingetting is normal and the results look good. (Recall that this setup using a full-frame sensor and an effective focal length of 2770 mm.)

FieldFlatnessCheck_2024-03-08_02_AberationInspectorMosaic.jpg

Figure 4. Same image as Fig.3, but with the Aberation Inspector mosiac turned on. This displays small segments at each edge and corner, and one small sement of the center, for comparison. The stars look acceptably sharp and round all the way to the edge of the frame.

Figure 4 shows very promising results. Now, before you go and say, "those stars look pretty bloated," recall that the focal length is 2770 mm. That, and the seeing was pretty poor at the beginning of last evening when I took the screenshot. And my nextdoor neighbors had their fireplace going, and their chimney is only a few meters away (we're all pretty cramped). All in all, the sharpness of this telescope and the incredibly flat field exceeded my expectations. In my opinion, Figure 4 is really, really good news to me.

So, since the sky was still clear, I decided to run the scope through it's paces for "first light." I decided on M100, for no particular reason besides it being in the right location in the sky. I'll report back with the results in a future post once I check out the data myself.

I did take one more photo of the telescopes this morning taking FLAT frames.

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Figure 5. This moring, after the big telescope's "first light." Flats are being taken with artists' "light box light pad" sketch pad things. They're very inexpensive and work surprisingly well as flat panels. The bedsheet hanging in the background is to sheild the telescopes from the other neighbor's porch light, which is always on 24-7 for some godforsaken reason.

To be continued ...
 
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Speaking of useful astrophotography tools, I would be amiss if I didn't mention "rubber strap wrenches."

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Figure 1. Rubber strap wrenches. The tube spacers in the center are shown as an example application.

If you are ever interested in taking up astrophotography as a hobby, you'll inevitably have to deal with a bunch of tubes and rings and such that screw together. By their very nature, these tubes will bind together making them seemingly impossible to unscrew with one another.

The solution is to make sure you have a pair of these "rubber strap wrenches." They go by other names too, such as "oil filter wrenches." You won't use them everyday, but they will save you from incredible headaches when you need them.

A typical, budding astrophotographer, after experiencing their first nightmare of tube seizing, might be inclined to put some anti-binding/anti-seizing paste on the tube threads so that it never, ever happens again. But now there would be risk of accidental transfer of the paste to the optics, which would be a whole different nightmare. I advise a better solution is to keep a pair of rubber tube wrenches on hand to deal with the binding.

Keep them in your bag of essentials.
 
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First Light, Acquisition and Processing, Part 1

I ended up get two clear nights in a row. And both with a new moon too! :smile: Very good for testing the optics under good conditions. As I mentioned earlier, I pointed the telescope to the "Blowdryer Galaxy," M100, and hoped for the best.

Here is some insight into my processing workflow for galaxies. Let's start with the luminance (L) data.

Single_L_NoCalibration_Autostretch.jpg

Figure 1. Single, 60 sec subframe before calibration frames applied. This frame was taken with the IR/UV cut luminance filter (L). The autostretch was applied here so that you can see the galaxy. (Without the autostretch, it would just appear as an almost completely black image.) There were many more like it. I also took many other subframes with the red (R), green (G), and blue (B) filters separately applied, but they are not shown here for brevity. They'll all look like black-and-white images, since I used a monochrome camera.

Single_L_AfterCalibration_Autostretch.jpg

Figure 2. Here is the same, single, 60 sec subframe, but after DARK and FLAT frame calibration applied. The master DARK and master FLAT frames were created earlier in the workflow, but not shown here for brevity. The autostretch was applied here so that you can see the galaxy. As you can see, the artists' "light box light pad" thing does a pretty good job for producing flat frames.

L_Stacked_Crop1_AutoStrech.jpg

Figure 3. Here is the L channel after alignment and stacking. A slight crop was applied to remove the edges. Again, autostretch applied here so you can see the image. There are noticeable gradients that were not compensated by the FLATs. Although the nonuniformity of the cheapy flat panel plays a role in these gradients, I wouldn't blame it too much. Most of the gradients are likely caused by my neighborhood's glare and light pollution (porch lights, streetlights, etc).

L_GrdCor_GradCor_AutoStech.jpg

Figure 4. After PixInsight's brand new "Gradient Removal Tool" (GradientCorrection process). That removed the residual gradients nicely. (Autostrech applied here so you can see it.)

L_GrdCor_Crop2_AutoStrech.jpg

Figure 5. A second crop applied. (Autostretch is also applied here so you can see it.)

Now let's move on to the color data. We'll come back to the L image later in the next post.

Steps take for color data (not shown here for brevity; each color channel looks pretty similar to what's shown above for the L data -- it's basically me doing the same thing three more times, once for each color channel.)
  • Dark and Flat frames applied separately to all the red (R), green (G), and blue (B) subframes.
  • Each channel was aligned as stacked (separately for each R, G, and B channel; although all images used the same reference frame for alignment).
  • The stacked R, G, and B, images were combined using PixInsight's ChannelCombination process to produce a single RGB image.
  • A slight crop was applied (same dimensions as the L channel) to remove the edges.

RgbCrop1_Autostretch.jpg

Figure 6. RGB image (no L applied, just yet. That comes later.) (Autostretch applied here so you can see the image.)

RgbCrop1_GrdCor_Autostretch.jpg

Figure 7. PixInsight's new GradientCorrection process applied. I love PixInsights new gradient removal tool. It's pretty easy to use and works well. (Autostretch applied here so you can see the image.)

The next step is to correct the above image for color. Obviously, the relative color balance is not right yet. the first step in this is to use PixInsight's ImageSolver script to platesolve on the image, comparing it to a database of known stars having a known relative brightness and color. (ImageSolver process not shown here, because it doesn't affect how the image looks.)

Once the image has been "solved," giving it a known location in the sky, the "Spectrophotometric Color Calibration" can be performed. In this process you can choose the filters that were used in acquisition, and it will adjust accordingly.

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Figure 8. PixInsight's SpectrophotometricColorCalibration process applied. (Autostretch applied here so that you can see the image.)

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Figure 9. Now that the gradients have been removed and the colors have been calibrated, the RGB image was cropped a second time, using the same parameters/dimensions that were used for the L image. (Autostretch applied here so that you can see the image.)

Note that the above image is still pretty noisy and doesn't contain the data from the L image. That's where we'll start next time in Part 2.

To be continued ...
 
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First Light, Acquisition and Processing, Part 2

Normally in this part of the galaxy workflow, I would add in the hydrogen-alpha (Hα) data into the mix. However, adding in the Hα data is quite a complicated bit of work, and quite frankly, I didn't gather enough Hα data in the limited time I had to make it interesting. I might come back to it once I've had more clear nights to acquire the data. But for this "first-light" test here, I'm skipping it, and forging ahead with just the L, R, G, and B data alone.

So the next thing I did is apply an actual histogram stretch to L and RGB images described in the last post. I then combined them using PixInsight's LRGBCombination process.

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Figure 1. Luminance (L) and RGB images combined into a single LRGB image. The advantage of adding the luminance data to the color data is primarily for a natural method of noise reduction that doesn't rely on any complicated signal processing routines. Acquiring L data is really quick way to gather lots of photons, allowing the Central Limit Theorem to take care of the noise naturally, and without having to gather all the photons for the R, G, and B channels separately (which would take 3x the amount of integration time). Obviously, some color data is necessary, which is why we spent all that time on the RGB image. Acquiring luminance data gives you a lot of "bang for the buck," in terms of the precious time the telescope is pointed at a broadband target. (This only applies to broadband targets, by the way. Luminance data doesn't do much good if you're shooting narrowband targets.)

Now that all the data has been incorporated into the image, it's time to move on to the signal processing.

LRGB_Xt_1st.jpg

Figure 2. Sharpening and noise reduction routines have been implented -- a little, not too much -- using RC Astro's Blur eXterminator and Noise eXternimator plugins. Strengths of these processes have been reduced below their default values. We're going to break it up, applying a little bit here, and a little bit more toward the end of our processing.

The next step is to enhance the detail in the core of the galaxy. To do this I used Herbert Walter's "GAME" plugin (https://www.skypixels.at) to create a mask around the core of the galaxy's core. I then used PixInsight's CurvesTransformation to reduce the brightness of the mask to about 1/3rd. Applying that reduced mask to the LRGB image (protecting everything except the galaxy's core), I used PixInsight's "HDRMultiscaleTransform" process to the image, enhancing the details in the core.

LRGB_Xt_HDRMt.jpg

Figure 3. HDR Multiscale Transform applied to the galaxy's core, enhancing the details in the core.

For the next step I need to remove the stars for a bit (don't worry, we'll put them back in a second). For that I used RC-Astro's Star eXternimator.

NoStars.jpg

Figure 4. Stars temporarily removed.

At this point I created another mask, this time using PixInsight's RangeSelection mask tool, protecting all the dark areas. Only the bright areas around the galaxies can be affected after applying the mask.

NoStars_LHist.jpg

Figure 5. A touch of PixInsight's "Local Histogram Equalization" applied with the RangeSelection mask applied to the image. This brings out some of the detail in the galaxy's spiral arms.

Before I put the stars back, I did a little work on them (not shown). I noticed what looked like a bit of chromatic abberation, but only on the brightest of stars. Well, that's a shame. It might have happened because I used a frame from the luminance data as my reference image for alignment. Maybe I should have used a frame from the G data. Oh, well. Live and learn. Next time, I guess.

Rather than start all over, I did a little creative masking with the stars, and reduced the color saturation of the very brightest stars. That got rid of the chromatic abberations pretty well.

While I was at it, I reduce the stars a little bit using PixInsight's MorphologicalTransformation before putting the stars back.

StarsBack.jpg

Figure 6. Stars are back. You can put the stars back into the image using PixInsight's PixelMath.

All that's left is some final touch-ups using CurvesTransformation, and a final, small round of sharpening and noise reduction using RC-Astro's Blur eXterminator and Noise eXterminator again (as before, not too much; just a little).

StarsBack_Xt2_Crvs1.jpg

Figure 7. Final image for this "First-Light" test.

There's a lot of detail in the final image -- more than PF will allow me to display by embedding the image in a post. If you'd like to see the image in its full resolution, here is a link to it:
http://www.shadycrypt.com/PF/BlowDryer2024_FirstLight_Final.jpg

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Blowdryer Galaxy (a.k.a., M100, NGC 4321, Mirror Galaxy), imaged from my back patio, March 2024. M100 can be found in the constellation Coma Berenices.

Equipment:
Celestron C14 EdgeHD telescope
SkyWatcher EQ8-R Pro mount
Celestron 0.7x Focal reducer (for C14 EdgeHD)
Off-axis guider (OAG) with guide camera
Baader LRGB filter set
ZWO ASI6200MM-Pro Main Camera

Software:
N.I.N.A.
PHD2 Guiding
PixInsight with
o RC-Astro Plugins
o SkyPixels "GAME" plugin

Acquisition/Integration:
Location: San Diego, USA
Bortle Class 7 (maybe 8 ) skies
All subframes binned 2×2
Stacked using drizzle algorithm
L: 207×60 sec = 3.45 hrs
R: 119×60 sec = 1.98 hrs
G: 107×60 sec = 1.78 hrs
B: 115×60 sec = 1.92 hrs
Total integration time: 9.13 hours
 
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