Does Energy Gravitate? A Check of Understanding

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In summary: SR...We call that time dilation and length contraction. And objects in SR can move in curved worldlines...that is, curved paths in spacetime. So there IS a type of curvature in SR, but it is not gravitational in nature.
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Naty1 said:
How does one copy such diagrams from here to Microsoft WORD?? All I get with COPY is the text, not the illustrations?
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Thanks for the advice DrGreg..I don't have the options you list ...but my daughter figured out an approach so I now have your charts in my notes...
 
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WannabeNewton said:
For example one can construct what is known as the Bel-Robinson tensor ##T_{abcd} = C_{aecf}C_{b}{}{}^{e}{}{}_{d}{}{}^{f} -\frac{3}{2}g_{a[b}C_{jk]cf}C^{jk}{}{}_{d}{}{}^{f}## where ##C_{abcd}## is the Weyl curvature tensor. One can show that ##T_{abcd} = T_{(abcd)}## and that ##\nabla^{a}T_{abcd} = 0##.

Could you explain why ##\nabla^{a}T_{abcd}## necessarily vanishes? It's not completely clear to me.
 
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HS-Scientist said:
Could you explain why ##\nabla^{a}T_{abcd} = 0## necessarily vanishes? It's not completely clear to me.
I should have mentioned that it only holds in vacuum space-time ##R_{ab} = 0##. This is another reason why such a prescription for a local gravitational energy density would not be complete.

Anyways, taking the divergence and expanding out the expression we have ##\nabla^{a}T_{abcd} = C_{aecf}\nabla^{a}C_{b}{}{}^{e}{}{}_{d}{}{}^{f} - \frac{1}{2}g_{ab}\nabla^{a}\{C_{jkcf}C^{jk}{}{}_{d}{}{}^{f}\}+ \frac{1}{2}g_{aj}\nabla^{a}\{C_{bkcf}C^{jk}{}{}_{d}{}{}^{f}\} - \frac{1}{2}g_{ak}\nabla^{a}\{C_{bjcf}C^{jk}{}{}_{d}{}{}^{f}\}##. Note that in vacuum space-time we have ##\nabla^{a}C_{abcd} = 0##. Furthermore, the second Bianchi identity reads ##\nabla_{[a}R_{bc]d}{}{}^{e} = 0## and in vacuum space-time we have ##R_{abcd} = C_{abcd}## so we also have that ##\nabla_{[a}C_{bc]d}{}{}^{e} = 0## in vacuum. Using these two results, we can greatly simplify the divergence of the Bel-Robinson tensor to just ##\nabla^{a}T_{abcd} = C_{aecf}\nabla^{a}C_{b}{}{}^{e}{}{}_{d}{}{}^{f} - \frac{1}{2}C_{aecf}\nabla_{b}C^{ae}{}{}_{d}{}{}^{f} ##.

Applying the second Bianchi identity once more, we have that ##\nabla_{b}C^{ae}{}{}_{d}{}{}^{f} = \nabla^{a}C_{b}{}{}^{e}{}{}_{d}{}{}^{f} - \nabla^{e}C_{b}{}{}^{a}{}{}_{d}{}{}^{f} ##
thus ##\nabla^{a}T_{abcd} = C_{aecf}\nabla^{a}C_{b}{}{}^{e}{}{}_{d}{}{}^{f} - \frac{1}{2}C_{aecf}(\nabla^{a}C_{b}{}{}^{e}{}{}_{d}{}{}^{f} - \nabla^{e}C_{b}{}{}^{a}{}{}_{d}{}{}^{f} )\\ = \frac{1}{2}C_{aecf}\nabla^{a}C_{b}{}{}^{e}{}{}_{d}{}{}^{f} + \frac{1}{2}C_{aecf}\nabla^{e}C_{b}{}{}^{a}{}{}_{d}{}{}^{f}\\ = \frac{1}{2}C_{eacf}\nabla^{e}C_{b}{}{}^{a}{}{}_{d}{}{}^{f} + \frac{1}{2}C_{aecf}\nabla^{e}C_{b}{}{}^{a}{}{}_{d}{}{}^{f}\\ = \frac{1}{2}(-C_{aecf} + C_{aecf})\nabla^{e}C_{b}{}{}^{a}{}{}_{d}{}{}^{f} = 0##
 

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