Does Mass Determine Speed? Investigating the Physics and Biology

In summary: Then, there's large animals that move pretty fast and tiny organisms that move with the current only. What about spiders that use silk to travel with air currents. Apparently they can reach an altitude of 5 kilometers. I wonder how they do on a list of fastest animals. What is their terminal velocity.The terminal velocity of a spider is unknown, but it's presumably less than 20 mph.
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I don't know whether this is physics or biology. I think that depends on the answer as much as the question.

1) Hollywood says a big hulking giant would be a huge threat.
2) Critics laugh and say that a big hulking giant wouldn't even be able to walk.
3) Horses are fast, mice are slow, and ants are just pitiful. Sure, ants are pretty macho in proportion to their mass, but they can't run that fast.

So why? Is there a point where this trend is reversed? Elephants are pretty fast, too.
 
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So why? Is there a point where this trend is reversed? Elephants are pretty fast, too.

Please state your question explicitly.
 
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Why does the square-cube law not make small animals faster than large animals?
 
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You're confusing two things here: speed and structural strength.

Of course you can make bigger strides when you're larger. But being larger also means you need increasingly stronger limbs, that can support your weight and survive the stresses of walking.

Since the material making up supporting structures (bones, chitin) cannot be made physically stronger, the only way to support more weight is to have larger cross-section bones.

The square-cube law means that it's not enough to double the thickness (cross-sectional area) of a limb to support a 3-dimensionally larger object, like a human-proportioned giant. You can see this at work in the examples of animals you've provided: limbs of an ant, mouse, horse and elephant grow increasingly thicker w/r to the body as you go up in size.

At some point, the size of the limbs (as compared to the body) needed to support the weight of the animal becomes prohibitively large.
 
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You know, I think I have it.

Maximum speed depends on drag cross-section, while power available, which depends on metabolism, goes up with mass. Is this correct?

Dividing 8x power by 4x drag force gives 2x speed.

I did a calculation some time ago that predicted things the other way around. I think I totally forgot about metabolism.
 
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Tiiba said:
power available, which depends on metabolism, goes up with mass. Is this correct?
Think it through carefully --- you've got waste heat/energy to dissipate --- you've skipped a few details that might contribute to understanding the functional relationships you're tossing around so casually.
 
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What makes something fast is a lot more complex than the square cube law, which says exactly what it says and nothing more (though it has implication).

The average (relative)speed of a N2 molecule is 475 m/s. That's fast, and those molecules are small. The largest known living organism are fungi that stretch large distances (kilometers). They do not move at all.
Then, there's large animals that move pretty fast and tiny organisms that move with the current only. What about spiders that use silk to travel with air currents. Apparently they can reach an altitude of 5 kilometers. I wonder how they do on a list of fastest animals. What is their terminal velocity. Apparently this is unknown and depends on how much silk they use. Apparently every animal as small or smaller than a mouse survives terminal velocity impact on 'softer' surfaces,

Maybe it makes more sense to express speed relative to body size.
 
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FAQ: Does Mass Determine Speed? Investigating the Physics and Biology

Does an object's mass affect its speed?

Yes, according to Newton's Second Law of Motion, an object's mass and acceleration are directly proportional. This means that the greater the mass of an object, the more force is needed to accelerate it, resulting in a slower speed.

Can an object with a smaller mass move faster than an object with a larger mass?

Yes, this is possible if the smaller object has a greater force acting on it. For example, a smaller car with a powerful engine can move faster than a larger car with a weaker engine.

Is there a limit to how fast an object can move based on its mass?

Yes, according to Einstein's Theory of Relativity, as an object's speed approaches the speed of light, its mass increases. This means that it would require an infinite amount of energy to accelerate an object with mass to the speed of light.

How does an object's mass affect its momentum?

An object's momentum is directly proportional to its mass and velocity. This means that a larger object with the same velocity as a smaller object will have a greater momentum.

Does an object's shape and size affect its speed?

Yes, an object's shape and size can affect its speed because it can impact its aerodynamics and the amount of air resistance it experiences. For example, a streamlined object with a smaller surface area will experience less air resistance and can potentially move faster than a larger, more bulky object.

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