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PeterO
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Mark44 said:The integer +5 (the plus sign is unnecessary) and the natural number 5 can both be found at exactly the same place on the real number line.
I have no idea what "closure under involution" means. This didn't come up in any of the numerous math classes I took.
Sorry, I meant evolution, not involution - neither term in common usage.
Natural numbers are closed under addition [and of course multiplication which is just repeated addition].
ie, select any two natural numbers, add them, and the answer is a natural number.
Subtraction - even difference - is not closed, because if you happen to choose the same number twice, or insist on subtracting your second choice from your first choice, the answer is not always a Natural number. 8 - 3 = 5 ; 6 - 6 = ? ; 4 - 7 = ?
If we expand our thinking to include integers, we again have a closed set of numbers under subtraction as well s addition and multpilication.
But what of division? For closure, starting with Natural numbers, we need fractions, but if we use our newly developed number system we need Rationals - and the condition that the denominator is not 0 [not a problem with Natural numbers]
And so we have a number system closed under the four basic operations addition, subtraction, multiplication and division.
The set is also closed under involution since we can raise any rational to a power, and get another [or the same in the case of +1] rational.
However evolution [taking the root] does not work out for all numbers: √3 for example.
If we expand our system to real numbers, we have solved half the problem - but need to go further to complex numbers for taking even the second root of a negative number.
We then have a system closed under addition, subtraction, multiplication, division, involution and evolution.
No doubt someone will find [or already has] some operation where even that set of numbers is not closed.