Does the metric really represent intrinsic spacetime in plain English?

In summary, the conversation discusses whether the metric truly represents "intrinsic" spacetime in plain English. The metric, although intrinsic as a mathematical term, is not completely intrinsic in plain English as it is dependent on the behavior of a string relative to the surface. However, it does contain information about the elasticity of the surface and is measured in that surface. The debate continues on whether the metric truly represents a string in 4D spacetime.
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Does the metric really represent "intrinsic" spacetime in plain English?

Does the metric really represent "intrinsic" spacetime in plain English? For a 2D curved surface, the metric, although intrinsic as a mathematical term, doesn't seem to me intrinsic in plain English - it describes the behaviour of the length of a string relative to the surface - and I would consider the string not to be part of the surface, and extrinsic in plain English. This makes more sense to me, since it follows that like the string, the metric is an additional structure; also, since a string curves in 2 directions, the metric should take 2 vectors to define a length. In this view, then there is also some physics in the metric, since we have to specify that we use a string, and not eg. chewing gum. Of course, if we think about it this way, there is also something intrinsic to the metric, since it contains information about the elasticity of the surface relative to the string. Nonetheless, the metric is not completely intrinsic since the string is needed. Furthermore, if the metric represents a string, then we are naturally led to ask - if 4D spacetime has a metric, what is the corresponding 4D string? - to which it seems plausible to say trajectories of particles or light - which prevents one from even thinking of a 'hole argument'.
 
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No, that is not true. The metric measures the length of a surface as measured in that surface. It is very "intrinsic".
 
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Measured in that surface, but by what? Definitely not the number of atoms between two points in the surface. If that were the case, then the metric would not change in an expanding balloon, since the expansion doesn't change the number of atoms between those two points. It has to be the spacing of atoms in a piece of string that is not part of the surface.
 
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atyy said:
Does the metric really represent "intrinsic" spacetime in plain English? For a 2D curved surface, the metric, although intrinsic as a mathematical term, doesn't seem to me intrinsic in plain English - it describes the behaviour of the length of a string relative to the surface

No it doesn't. It describes the arc-length between two points in the surface.

Hence the rest of your question is moot...
 

FAQ: Does the metric really represent intrinsic spacetime in plain English?

1. What is the metric in relation to spacetime?

The metric is a mathematical tool used to describe the geometric properties of spacetime. It defines the distance between points in spacetime and allows us to calculate the curvature of spacetime, which is influenced by the presence of matter and energy.

2. How does the metric represent intrinsic spacetime?

The metric represents intrinsic spacetime by describing the fundamental geometric properties of spacetime itself, independent of any external observer or reference frame. It allows us to understand the curvature of spacetime without needing to reference an external measurement system.

3. What does it mean for the metric to be in plain English?

When we say the metric is in plain English, we mean that it is written in a way that is easily understandable to non-mathematicians. It is a simplified, conceptual explanation of the mathematical concept of the metric, making it more accessible to a wider audience.

4. How does the metric relate to Einstein's theory of general relativity?

The metric is a fundamental concept in Einstein's theory of general relativity. It is used to describe the curvature of spacetime, which is the cornerstone of the theory. The metric allows us to mathematically express the relationship between matter and energy and the curvature of spacetime.

5. Why is understanding the metric important in modern physics?

Understanding the metric is crucial in modern physics because it is used in many theories and models to describe the fundamental properties of spacetime. It is essential for understanding concepts such as gravity, black holes, and the expanding universe. Without a thorough understanding of the metric, we would not be able to fully grasp the workings of the universe.

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