Don't complain if you didn't vote

[franznietzsche]

public bicycle transportation...

So they trust that no criminal will steal the bikes... but we can't be trusted with firearms?

That's California Democrats for you.

They also consider citizens of Mexico more important as constituents than their actual constituents. Take Loretta Brixey, who changed her name to Loretta Sanchez to make her seem like "una de La Raza" to racist immigrant groups.

 

[franznietzsche]

bikes are a lot less dangerous than firearms Pengwuino...

yeah but the bikes were all stolen within a week.

 

[Pengwuino]

Well, everything has failed. And I mean everything. Liberal issues failed, conservative issues failed, pro-arnold issues failed, pro-environment issues failed, health care issues failed.

I wonder how many people actually voted.

 

[bomba923]

Hmm... all this and no commentary on Prop 74 !

Only 17 and I can't vote. If I could, I'd vote for any reasonable measure to improve the quality of California public school teachers.
Indeed, raising teacher's salaries will not introduce academic rigor and responsibility into the classroom.

And thus, I pity the administration when the certain teachers-----who do not really teach at all, inflate grades, and don't even ask their students to think-----walk out with others on strike. Those teachers don't deserve a raise; or even teach at a HS level.

 

[moose]

-"Stupid voters, howcome so little people are voting for what's obviously right?"

"Did you vote"

-"no"

"stfu then"I hope my state doesn't turn liberal anytime soon O.O

 

[moose]

bikes are a lot less dangerous than firearms Pengwuino...

*tries extremely hard to not reply*


Ehh, sure they are more dangerous as in... if a criminal has a firearm... which most do. The problem is not when a good citizen has a firearm, which in California they don't.

Hmmmm

 

[tribdog]

what sucks is I've been a Republican all my life, but I help the homeless, I'm pro choice. I keep getting more and more liberal in my way of thinking but Democrats are just such pussies it drives me nuts
I don't own a gun, but Id never want to take away people's guns I'm for the right to own a gun hell I'm for the right to shoot people that piss me off. america had what something like 10000 murders last year and England had 8? there is a connection

 

[AngelShare]

I'm not 18 yet but I agree, if you don't vote, don't complain. My teacher was talking about that and I still remember him saying such a thing to this day...I was in fourth grade when our teacher began talking about voting and he said his one friend was complaining about the President. When asked if he voted for the other candidate, his friend said no so he just told him to shut up. He felt that you only have the right to complain if you vote, otherwise you're just a lazy moron who didn't care enough to. *Shrugs*

 

[tribdog]

the crazy thing is, this is America, you can speak up whether you voted or not. You can complain if you voted for that candidate or not. You can complain even if what you complain about is your fault

 

[Smurf]

I agree with Tribdog. There's nothing wrong with not voting, and there's nothing wrong with complaining about the system. No matter what.

 

[Pengwuino]

I say there is, one can't demand change and then refuse to make that change happen and complain in the end. I guess people deserve it when they get pushed around and have their rights taken away then, you don't speak up, things happen.

 

[tribdog]

first time in my life someone agrees with me and it has to be Smurf.

 

[Smurf]

I say there is, one can't demand change and then refuse to make that change happen and complain in the end. I guess people deserve it when they get pushed around and have their rights taken away then, you don't speak up, things happen.

Okay here's smurf to point out the obvious, once again:

He was speaking up. Then the professor told him to shut up.

 

[tribdog]

this got his anger up. So he got up. picked his books up. flipped his finger up.
now he's going down

 

[AngelShare]

the crazy thing is, this is America, you can speak up whether you voted or not. You can complain if you voted for that candidate or not. You can complain even if what you complain about is your fault

Yeah, it's quite obvious that anybody can complain. The difference is, some make fools of themselves when doing it. The crazy thing is, this is America, we have rights other countries don't and yet some people can't be "bothered" to vote? Too busy? Too hard for them? Or just too lazy?

 

[Plastic Photon]

Here in Texas they passed prop 2 which states no homosexual marriage. I don't think that this is something that needs to be voted on, as many of the things on the ballots and that which pass through the legislative dungeons do not need to be there. So therefore I choose not to vote and instead protest the idiocy of these measures being on ballots and bills in the legislature.

 

[tribdog]

I wonder if the phrase "Here in Texas" has ever been followed by something good.

 

[Norman]

Yeah, it's quite obvious that anybody can complain. The difference is, some make fools of themselves when doing it. The crazy thing is, this is America, we have rights other countries don't and yet some people can't be "bothered" to vote? Too busy? Too hard for them? Or just too lazy?

Actually everyone I know who doesn't vote, does so because they know it won't change a damn thing. There won't be any difference in the amount of tax he pays (which will always go up- no matter who is in charge), they won't see any real social or political change. The polititians don't ever vote for what their constituents want- they vote for what "they" want. This usually envolves them receiving vast sums of money from interest groups.

I personally believe in the wisdom of Margaret Mead: "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

 

[AngelShare]

I know the feeling...I bounce back and forth between voting being worth it and a total waste. However, it doesn't take long so I figure, why not just get up and do it? You may feel like nothing will change but it certainly won't change if no one tries. Just imagine how it would be if everyone voted...the youth vote was to be huge but that turned out to be nothing but a popcorn fart.

 

[Gokul43201]

Well the republicans practically asked to get their asses handed to them. I mean did they even want 77 to pass? I don't even remember seeing a pro-77 ad.

The whole idea of this charade was to have as few people bother to vote as possible, so that the small number of Arnold supporters would have significant power towards helping the issues pass. The name of the game was "voter apathy".

Unfortunately for Arnie, the unions did a pretty good job of mobilizing the left. Guess the people of CA have made it pretty clear what they think of the Terminator !

 

[Pengwuino]

The whole idea of this charade was to have as few people bother to vote as possible, so that the small number of Arnold supporters would have significant power towards helping the issues pass. The name of the game was "voter apathy".

You do realize voter apathy is a two way street... I don't think Arnold was able to run ads that were invisible to the left.

Unfortunately for Arnie, the unions did a pretty good job of mobilizing the left. Guess the people of CA have made it pretty clear what they think of the Terminator !

They sure did, especially when they voted him in in the first recall of a governor in a looooooooooong time I feel sorry for one of my high school teachers who was complaining about being forced to join a union or else he would lose his job (as a high school teacher... MIT graduate... and the school wasn't exactly a shining beacon in the public school system) a few years ago. Must suck that he still has his money stolen and used for purposes he doesn't approve of. I think i'll drop him an email and see how he felt about it.

And of course, the unanswered question remains... unanswered... how are we suppose to get rid of this $40billion deficit. The democrats in the senate don't do anything except bash the governor and make fun of his speech patterns...

 

[Smurf]

The democrats in the senate don't do anything except bash the governor and make fun of his speech patterns...

Isn't that what we do to Bush as well?

 

[Pengwuino]

Isn't that what we do to Bush as well?

Hell, democrats in the Senate actually DO something. Quite contrary to here in California.