Double integral in Rectangular coordinates for anything circular

I made a mistake in my calculation. The correct formula for the volume of a cone is $\frac{1}{3}\pi r^2h$ where $r$ is the radius of the base and $h$ is the height of the cone.In summary, the conversation was about finding the volume of a cone using a double integral and the difficulties the speaker encountered. It was suggested to use polar coordinates and trigonometric substitution to evaluate the integral, but it was also pointed out that a simpler approach would be to use the formula for the volume of a cone. Additionally, there was a correction made to the formula for the volume of a cone.
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PaultheRiemann
This is the equation for the cone
A \sqrt{x^2 + y^2}

The double integral

\iint A \sqrt{x^2 + y^2} \space dy \space dx \space \space \space\text {From x= -1 to 1 and y=} -\sqrt{1-x^2} \space to \space \sqrt{1-x^2}

\text{ is very difficult to evaluate. I've tried polar coordinate substitution. However, I can't seem to get} /space 2/3 \pi z \space \text{where z is the height of cone and 1 is the radius of the cone}
 
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\text{here's what happens when I use CLAIRAUT theorem to change the order of the pertaining triple integral}

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I'm also trying my best not to use cylindrical and spherical coordinate systems.
 
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easy when spherical coordinates are used
 
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You are not getting any responses, perhaps because no one can understand what you are saying.
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PaultheRiemann said:
This is the equation for the cone
$$A \sqrt{x^2 + y^2}$$
No, it isn't, in fact, it is not even an equation! I assume you meant $$z= A\sqrt{x^2+ y^2}$$ but even that is only one side of the cone- the entire cone is $$z^2= A^2(x^2+ y^2)$$

The double integral

$$\iint A \sqrt{x^2 + y^2} \space dy \space dx \space \space \space$$$$\text {From x= -1 to 1 and y=} -\sqrt{1-x^2} \space to \space \sqrt{1-x^2}$$

\text{ is very difficult to evaluate. I've tried polar coordinate substitution. However, I can't seem to get} /space 2/3 \pi z \space \text{where z is the height of cone and 1 is the radius of the cone}
To integrate $\int_{x= -1}^1\int_{y= {-\sqrt{1- x^2}}^\sqrt{1- x^2} A\sqrt{x^2+ y^2}dy dx$$
I would first use trig identity $$tan^2(\theta)+ 1= sec^2(\theta)$$ and make the substitution $$y= xtan(\theta)$$. Then $$\sqrt{x^2+ y^2}= \sqrt{x^2+ x^2 tan(\theta)}= x sec(\theta)$$. Also $$dy= sec^2(\theta)d\theta$$
PaultheRiemann said:
This is the equation for the cone
A \sqrt{x^2 + y^2}

The double integral

\iint A \sqrt{x^2 + y^2} \space dy \space dx \space \space \space\text {From x= -1 to 1 and y=} -\sqrt{1-x^2} \space to \space \sqrt{1-x^2}

\text{ is very difficult to evaluate. I've tried polar coordinate substitution. However, I can't seem to get} /space 2/3 \pi z \space \text{where z is the height of cone and 1 is the radius of the cone}
No, it is not that difficult. The substitution $$y= x tan(\theta)$$ works nicely.

But I don't see why you are doing that. if you want to find the volume of a cone, with height h, then the double integral you are using isn't going to do it. Instead, note that, for any z, a cross section is a disk with center (0, 0, z) and radius $$r= \sqrt{x^2+ y^2}= \frac{z}{A}$$ so area $$\pi \frac{z^2}{A^2}$$. Taking the "thickness" to be dz, the volume of such disk is $$\pi \frac{z^2}{A^2}dz$$. The entire cone, thought of as the sum of such disks is $$\frac{\pi}{A^2}\int_0^h z^2 dz$$. In this particular cone, with $$z= A\sqrt{x^2+ y^2}$$ a cone with height h will have base radius $$\frac{h}{A}$$.

That will NOT give "$$\frac{2}{3}\pi h$$" because that is NOT the formula for volume of a cone. The volume of a cone, of height h and base radius R, is $$\frac{1}{3}\pi r^2h$$- 1/3, not 2/3.
 
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Thanks halls
 

Related to Double integral in Rectangular coordinates for anything circular

1. What is a double integral in rectangular coordinates?

A double integral in rectangular coordinates is a mathematical concept used to calculate the area under a surface or the volume between two surfaces in three-dimensional space. It involves integrating a function over a region in the x-y plane to find the total amount of the function within that region.

2. How is a double integral used for anything circular?

A double integral can be used to find the area of a circle by integrating the function for a circle, which is defined as x^2 + y^2 = r^2, over the region of the circle. This results in the equation A = ∫∫ f(x,y) dA, where f(x,y) = 1 and dA is the infinitesimal area element.

3. What are the limits of integration for a double integral in rectangular coordinates?

The limits of integration for a double integral in rectangular coordinates are determined by the boundaries of the region over which the function is being integrated. For example, for a circle with radius r centered at the origin, the limits would be -r to r for both x and y.

4. Can a double integral in rectangular coordinates be used for non-circular shapes?

Yes, a double integral in rectangular coordinates can be used for any shape as long as the boundaries of the region can be described by a set of equations. The limits of integration would be determined by the equations that define the boundaries of the region.

5. What are some real-world applications of using a double integral in rectangular coordinates for anything circular?

Some real-world applications include calculating the volume of a sphere or cylinder, finding the mass of a solid object with varying density, and determining the force on a charged particle moving through a magnetic field. It can also be used in economics to calculate the total revenue of a circular-shaped business such as a pizza shop or a circular pool.

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