Electric Field of a ring , mathematically

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The discussion focuses on deriving the electric field of a ring with a uniform line charge λ at a distance z along its axis, using cylindrical coordinates. It emphasizes that the radial component of the electric field cancels out due to symmetry, which can be mathematically proven by integrating the radial unit vector over the full angle of the ring. The integral of the radial vector, expressed in terms of its Cartesian components, results in zero, confirming the cancellation. Participants clarify that the radial vector is not constant because its direction changes with varying angles. The conversation concludes with an understanding of the mathematical proof of symmetry in the electric field of the ring.
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This is about the electric field of a ring with radius r, at a distance z from center, along the axis of the ring. The ring carries a uniform line charge
λ
. We always say that the radial component of the field cancels out due to symmetry. Can somebody tell how to prove it mathematically (using cylindrical coordinate system only)?

dErad=−14πϵ0rλdθ(r2+z2)rˆ

Erad=−14πϵ0rλ(r2+z2)∫2π0rˆdθ
 
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Welcome to PF, MinaKaiser! :smile:
MinaKaiser said:
This is about the electric field of a ring with radius r, at a distance z from center, along the axis of the ring. The ring carries a uniform line charge
λ
. We always say that the radial component of the field cancels out due to symmetry. Can somebody tell how to prove it mathematically (using cylindrical coordinate system only)?

dErad=−14πϵ0rλdθ(r2+z2)rˆ

Erad=−14πϵ0rλ(r2+z2)∫2π0rˆdθ

First, let's clean up your formula.

I get:

d\vec E_{rad} = - {1 \over 4\pi \epsilon_o} \cdot {\lambda r d\theta \over r^2 + z^2} \cdot {r \over \sqrt{r^2 + z^2}} \hat r

\vec E_{rad} = - {1 \over 4\pi \epsilon_o} \cdot {\lambda r d\theta \over r^2 + z^2}\cdot {r \over \sqrt{r^2 + z^2}} \int_0^{2\pi} \hat r d\thetaSo what we need is:
\int_0^{2\pi} \hat r d\theta = 0

Since \hat r is not a constant vector, we rewrite it in a basis that is constant:

\hat r = \hat x \cos \theta + \hat y \sin \theta

So
\int_0^{2\pi} \hat r d\theta = \int_0^{2\pi} (\hat x \cos \theta + \hat y \sin \theta) d\theta

Can you see that this is zero?
 
I dont' get it , Why r is not a constant vector ?
 
MinaKaiser said:
I dont' get it , Why r is not a constant vector ?
Here's a picture of cylindrical coordinates:
CylindricalCoordinates_1001.gif


At some point (r, theta, z) we have a local basis which contains \hat r.
But if theta is increased, the direction of \hat r changes.
 

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