Electric field vector & surface integral

In summary: So for the first part of the question, "Express the electric field vector in its rectangular coordinate components" does this have any significance with the cube at all?Yes, the electric field can be expressed in terms of its Cartesian components. This is important because it allows for the calculation of the flux through a closed surface, such as the surface of a cube.
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The solution shows that,

[itex]\vec{r} = x \hat{i} + y \hat{j} + z \hat{k}[/itex]

How did they obtain this?
 

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First of all, you did not write correctly the expression of the electric field in Cartesian coordinates. (Remember that |r| is not -usually- equals to 1)

Then, how do you usually evaluate the surface integral (the flux) over a certain surface?
 
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DiracRules said:
First of all, you did not write correctly the expression of the electric field in Cartesian coordinates. (Remember that |r| is not -usually- equals to 1)

Then, how do you usually evaluate the surface integral (the flux) over a certain surface?

It's not a vector, it's a unit vector, that's what the hat signifies.

For the flux since it's a closed surface I can apply divergence theorem,

[itex]\oint_{S} \vec{F} \cdot \hat{n}dS = \int\int\int_{V}\vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{F}dV[/itex]

I'm still confused as how to get [itex]\vec{r}[/itex].
 
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Bump, still looking for some help on this one!
 
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Sorry for misunderstanding r, but everyone has his own conventions and symbols :D

In Cartesian coordinates, how do you write the position occupied by an object? By giving the three coordinates. You can write both [itex] \vec{r}_P=\left[\begin{array}{c}x\\y\\z\end{array}\right][/itex] and [itex]\vec{r}_P=x\hat{i}+y\hat{j}+z\hat{k}[/itex] since[itex]\left[\begin{array}{c}x\\y\\z\end{array}\right]=x\left[\begin{array}{c}1\\0\\0\end{array}\right]+y\left[\begin{array}{c}0\\1\\0\end{array}\right]+z\left[\begin{array}{c}0\\0\\1\end{array}\right][/itex]

Was this your problem?

Now, I think that for the first part of the question you cannot use the flux theorem because the problem asks to calculate the flux through one face of the cube, not through the whole surface: I fear you need to calculate explicitly the flux by evaluating the surface integral or something like that (it shouldn't be too difficult, however).
You'd better express the electric field in term of its cartesian components and then try to integrate.
 
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DiracRules said:
Sorry for misunderstanding r, but everyone has his own conventions and symbols :D

In Cartesian coordinates, how do you write the position occupied by an object? By giving the three coordinates. You can write both [itex] \vec{r}_P=\left[\begin{array}{c}x\\y\\z\end{array}\right][/itex] and [itex]\vec{r}_P=x\hat{i}+y\hat{j}+z\hat{k}[/itex] since[itex]\left[\begin{array}{c}x\\y\\z\end{array}\right]=x\left[\begin{array}{c}1\\0\\0\end{array}\right]+y\left[\begin{array}{c}0\\1\\0\end{array}\right]+z\left[\begin{array}{c}0\\0\\1\end{array}\right][/itex]

Was this your problem?

Now, I think that for the first part of the question you cannot use the flux theorem because the problem asks to calculate the flux through one face of the cube, not through the whole surface: I fear you need to calculate explicitly the flux by evaluating the surface integral or something like that (it shouldn't be too difficult, however).
You'd better express the electric field in term of its cartesian components and then try to integrate.

So for the first part of the question, "Express the electric field vector in its rectangular coordinate components" does this have any significance with the cube at all?

The electric field vector is going to generate a radial vector field from the point charge outward everywhere in space.

The radius depends on which point in space you are observing (i.e. any point (x,y,z)).

Thus,

[itex]\vec{E} = \frac{q \vec{r}}{4\pi \epsilon_{o}r^{3}}[/itex]

Where,

[tex]\vec{r} = x\hat{i} + y\hat{j} + z\hat{k} \quad \text{Giving,} \quad r = \sqrt{x^{2} + y^{2} + z^{2}} [/tex]

I'm moving onto the cube portion now, I'll post my results.
 
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Here's what I've got so far, can't remember how to evaluate such an integral,
 

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I think it is right.

To evaluate the integral, you can use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_integrals_of_irrational_functions" > List of integrals involving [itex]R=\sqrt{ax^2+bx+c}[/itex] > [itex]\int \frac{dx}{R^3}[/itex]
 
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DiracRules said:
I think it is right.

To evaluate the integral, you can use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_integrals_of_irrational_functions" > List of integrals involving [itex]R=\sqrt{ax^2+bx+c}[/itex] > [itex]\int \frac{dx}{R^3}[/itex]

How would I do that? I don't have

[itex]ax^{2} + bx + c[/itex], we would be missing the term with the b cofficient.
 
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put b=0 :D
 

FAQ: Electric field vector & surface integral

1. What is an electric field vector?

The electric field vector is a mathematical representation of the strength and direction of the electric field at a given point. It is a vector quantity, meaning it has both magnitude and direction, and is typically represented by the symbol E.

2. How is the electric field vector calculated?

The electric field vector is calculated using the equation E = F/q, where E is the electric field vector, F is the force exerted on a charged particle, and q is the charge of the particle. It is also dependent on the distance between the charged particle and the point at which the electric field is being measured.

3. What is the significance of the direction of the electric field vector?

The direction of the electric field vector indicates the direction in which a positively charged particle would move if placed in the electric field. It is also used to determine the direction of the force experienced by a charged particle in the electric field.

4. What is a surface integral in relation to electric field vectors?

A surface integral is a mathematical tool used to calculate the total electric flux through a closed surface. It involves integrating the electric field vector over the surface to determine the total amount of electric field passing through the surface.

5. How is the surface integral used in practical applications?

The surface integral is used in a variety of practical applications, such as calculating the electric field strength around charged objects, determining the electric field produced by a distribution of charges, and analyzing the behavior of electric currents in conductors. It is also used in the study of electromagnetic waves and their interactions with materials.

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