Elliptical Motion: Proving w/ Displacement & Acceleration Vectors

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You hadn't. You showed that it was in a direction that does not depend on t and that it was perpendicular to the displacement vector- that it was at right angles to the displacement vector. But it was not pointing to the center. So you don't need to go through that. You can, instead, use your second post to show that the acceleration vector is always perpendicular to the displacement vector and that the displacement vector always lies on the ellipse- which shows that the acceleration vector always lies on the normal to the ellipse at that point. That shows that the acceleration vector always points toward the center.
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Given the following displacement vector (and thus, also, acceleration vector):

[tex]
\begin{array}{l}
\overrightarrow r (t) = \left( {\begin{array}{*{20}c}
{1 + 3\cos (\frac{{\pi t}}{2})} \\
{2 + 4\sin (\frac{{\pi t}}{2})} \\
\end{array}} \right) \\
\overrightarrow a (t) = \left( {\begin{array}{*{20}c}
{\frac{{ - 3\pi ^2 }}{4}\cos (\frac{{\pi t}}{2})} \\
{ - \pi ^2 \sin (\frac{{\pi t}}{2})} \\
\end{array}} \right) \\
\end{array}
[/tex]

I need to show that the body is undergoing eliptical motion. This is how i proceeded:
[tex]
\begin{array}{l}
\overrightarrow r (t) = \left( {\begin{array}{*{20}c}
{1 + 3\cos (\frac{{\pi t}}{2})} \\
{2 + 4\sin (\frac{{\pi t}}{2})} \\
\end{array}} \right) = \left( {\begin{array}{*{20}c}
{3\cos (\frac{{\pi t}}{2})} \\
{4\sin (\frac{{\pi t}}{2})} \\
\end{array}} \right) + \left( {\begin{array}{*{20}c}
1 \\
2 \\
\end{array}} \right) \\
\therefore\left( {\begin{array}{*{20}c}
{3\cos (\frac{{\pi t}}{2})} \\
{4\sin (\frac{{\pi t}}{2})} \\
\end{array}} \right) = \overrightarrow r (t) - \left( {\begin{array}{*{20}c}
1 \\
2 \\
\end{array}} \right) \\
\\
\overrightarrow a (t) = \left( {\begin{array}{*{20}c}
{\frac{{ - 3\pi ^2 }}{4}\cos (\frac{{\pi t}}{2})} \\
{ - \pi ^2 \sin (\frac{{\pi t}}{2})} \\
\end{array}} \right) = \frac{{ - \pi ^2 }}{4}\left( {\begin{array}{*{20}c}
{3\cos (\frac{{\pi t}}{2})} \\
{4\sin (\frac{{\pi t}}{2})} \\
\end{array}} \right) = \frac{{ - \pi ^2 }}{4}\left[ {\overrightarrow r (t) - \left( {\begin{array}{*{20}c}
1 \\
2 \\
\end{array}} \right)} \right] \\
\end{array}
[/tex]

Is that how i should do it? By showing that the acceleration is proportional to the displacement vector?

Thanks in advance,
Dan.
 
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I just thought about using the cartesian equation of motion.

[tex]
\begin{array}{l}
x = 1 + 3\cos (\frac{{\pi t}}{2}) \\
\therefore\left( {\frac{{x - 1}}{3}} \right)^2 = \cos ^2 (\frac{{\pi t}}{2}) \\
\\
y = 2 + 4\sin (\frac{{\pi t}}{2}) \\
\therefore\left( {\frac{{y - 2}}{4}} \right)^2 = \sin ^2 (\frac{{\pi t}}{2}) \\
\\
\therefore\left( {\frac{{x - 1}}{3}} \right)^2 + \left( {\frac{{y - 2}}{4}} \right)^2 = 1 \\
\end{array}
[/tex]

Which is the cartesian equation of an ellipse. Is this method also mathematically valid?
 
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Yes, that's the obvious way to go!

In fact, saying that "the acceleration is proporional to the displacement vector" would be saying that the acceleration vector points toward the center. That's true for circles but NOT for ellipses.

The planets move in ellipses and their acceleration is, of course, toward the sun- which is at a focus, not the center.
 
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HallsofIvy said:
Yes, that's the obvious way to go!

In fact, saying that "the acceleration is proporional to the displacement vector" would be saying that the acceleration vector points toward the center. That's true for circles but NOT for ellipses.

The planets move in ellipses and their acceleration is, of course, toward the sun- which is at a focus, not the center.

Thanks for the reply :smile:

In regards to my first post, how does it show that the acceleration is to the center? Wouldnt the [tex]
- \left( {\begin{array}{*{20}c}
1 \\
2 \\
\end{array}} \right)
[/tex] part mean that the acceleration isn't towards the centre? Or were you referring to the comment i made about it being proportional to the displacement vector?
 
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You are right. that [tex] - \left( {\begin{array}{*{20}c} 1 \\ 2 \\\end{array}} \right)[/tex] means it is not pointing toward the center.

You said "Is that how i should do it? By showing that the acceleration is proportional to the displacement vector?

For a vector to be proportional to another vector, i.e. a constant times the vector, they would have to be parallel or anti-parallel. I thought you were saying that you had shown that the acceleration vector was anti-parallel to the displacement vector- pointing toward the center.
 

FAQ: Elliptical Motion: Proving w/ Displacement & Acceleration Vectors

What is elliptical motion?

Elliptical motion is the movement of an object along an elliptical path, which is a flattened circle. It is a type of circular motion that occurs when there is a balance between the object's centripetal and tangential accelerations.

How do you prove elliptical motion using displacement and acceleration vectors?

To prove elliptical motion, we can use the concept of vector addition. By adding the displacement and acceleration vectors at different points along the object's path, we can see that they form an ellipse shape. This shows that the object is moving in an elliptical motion.

Is elliptical motion the same as circular motion?

No, elliptical motion is not the same as circular motion. While both involve an object moving along a curved path, circular motion has a constant radius and speed, while elliptical motion has a varying radius and speed.

What are the key factors that affect the shape of an elliptical orbit?

The key factors that affect the shape of an elliptical orbit are the object's mass, the mass of the body it is orbiting, and the distance between them. These factors determine the strength of the gravitational force and the resulting shape of the orbit.

How is elliptical motion related to Kepler's laws of planetary motion?

Elliptical motion is directly related to Kepler's laws of planetary motion. Kepler's first law states that the planets move in elliptical orbits around the sun, with the sun at one of the foci. His second law states that the line connecting a planet to the sun sweeps out equal areas in equal times, which explains the varying speed of an object in elliptical motion. Lastly, Kepler's third law shows the relationship between the orbital period and distance of a planet from the sun, demonstrating the shape of an elliptical orbit.

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