Energy change under point transformation

In summary, the energy and generalized momenta change under the given coordinate transformation according to the equations $E' = E - p \partial q / \partial t$ and $P = p \partial q / \partial Q$. It is important to be careful when writing partial derivatives and to indicate which variables are held constant. The mistake in the conversation occurred when the writer incorrectly equated $\partial q / \partial Q$ with $\partial q / \partial t$.
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How do the energy and generalized momenta change under the following coordinate
transformation $$q= f(Q,t)$$The generalized momenta: $$P = \partial L / \partial \dot Q = \partial L / \partial \dot q\times \partial \dot q / \partial \dot Q = p \partial \dot q / \partial \dot Q = p \partial q / \partial Q $$$$\dot Q = \partial Q / \partial q \times \dot q + \partial Q / \partial t$$$$E' = P\dot Q - L = p \partial q / \partial Q (\partial Q / \partial q \times \dot q + \partial Q / \partial t) - L = p\dot q + p \partial q / \partial t - L = E + p \partial q / \partial t$$But the answer is $$E' = E - p \partial q / \partial t$$What did i got wrong?
 
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When writing a partial derivative, it's important to keep in mind which variables are held constant. I often find it necessary to explicitly indicate the variable or variables that are held constant.

I think the mistake occurs where you essentially wrote $$\frac{\partial q}{\partial Q} \frac{\partial Q}{\partial t} = \frac{\partial q}{\partial t} $$

Convince yourself that the left side should be $$\frac{\partial q}{\partial Q}\bigg |_t \frac{\partial Q}{\partial t}\bigg|_q $$ You can simplify this using the triple product rule (also called the cyclic identity for partial derivatives).
 

FAQ: Energy change under point transformation

What is energy change under point transformation?

Energy change under point transformation refers to the change in energy that occurs when a system undergoes a transformation or change in its coordinates. This can include changes in position, velocity, or other physical properties.

How is energy change calculated under point transformation?

The energy change under point transformation is calculated using the Hamiltonian function, which takes into account the kinetic and potential energies of a system. This function is used to determine the total energy of a system at any given point in time.

What is the significance of energy change under point transformation in physics?

Energy change under point transformation is significant in physics because it helps us understand how energy is conserved in different systems. By analyzing the energy change, we can make predictions about the behavior of a system and how it will evolve over time.

Can energy change under point transformation be negative?

Yes, energy change under point transformation can be negative. This occurs when the transformation results in a decrease in the total energy of the system. For example, if a system loses energy due to friction, the energy change under point transformation would be negative.

How does energy change under point transformation relate to the laws of thermodynamics?

Energy change under point transformation is closely related to the first law of thermodynamics, which states that energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transformed from one form to another. This law applies to energy change under point transformation, as the total energy of a system remains constant even as it undergoes a transformation.

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