Enthalpy Explained: All You Need to Know

In summary: S## and ##p##.In summary, the enthalpy is a property of state that has been found to be very useful in thermodynamic calculations. It is given by the Legendre-transform of the internal energy, and the "natural independent variables" for the enthalpy are ##S## and ##p##.
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Please consider delving into the references I recommended.

As far as the books you have been studying, if they have problems at the end of the chapters, please consider solving a major fraction of these problems. Reading is good, but only solving problems can solidify your understanding and give you a working knowledge of the subject.
 
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Chestermiller said:
Please consider delving into the references I recommended.

As far as the books you have been studying, if they have problems at the end of the chapters, please consider solving a major fraction of these problems. Reading is good, but only solving problems can solidify your understanding and give you a working knowledge of the subject.
But if the references are explaining enthalpy, and enthalpy is not relevant to aerodynamics, what's the point of that if my study is aerodynamics. Don't you see the contradiction?
I have my answer, you have confirmed enthalpy is irrelevant to aerodynamics.
 
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Sailor Al said:
I have my answer, you have confirmed enthalpy is irrelevant to aerodynamics.
Read post #19!
 
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Motore said:
Read post #19!
Yes, I know, it is a conundrum. But when I press him for why he qualifies his answer with "As long as the temperature of the air does not change much" he ducks for the undergrowth .
What is your view: is enthalpy useful in describing the process in #17?
 
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Sailor Al said:
What is your view: is enthalpy useful in describing the process in #17?
In that specific scenario in my opinion, it complicate things because the change in temperature is small, but it is useful if you want a precise way to compute things. But you said it's irrelevant to aerodynamics which is not the case as people solving aerodynamics questions use it often.
https://www.grc.nasa.gov/www/k-12/airplane/enthalpy.html
 
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Thanks for that link.
It relates to a very special situation where heat is added to a closed system in which pressure remains constant.
But in aerodynamics heat is never added to the system, and I don't think you can remove heat from a system without changing its pressure.

I'm not sure what it has to do with aerodynamics.
 
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Particularly in fluid dynamics enthalpy plays an important role. In ideal fluid dynamics (adiabatic motion) it's the right thermodynamic potential to use. Euler's equation reads
$$\rho \mathrm{D}_t \vec{v}=\rho (\partial_t \vec{v} + (\vec{v} \cdot \vec{\nabla}) \vec{v})=-\vec{\nabla} P.$$
With ##h## the enthalpy per unit mass of the fluid and thus
$$\mathrm{d}h=T \mathrm{d} S + \frac{1}{\rho} \mathrm{d} P$$
you get, for adiabatic motion, ##\vec{\nabla} P=\rho \vec{\nabla} h## and thus
$$\mathrm{D}_t \vec{v}=-\nabla h.$$
Another very valuable source is vol. 6 of Landau and Lifshitz (fluid dynamics).
 
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vanhees71 said:
Particularly in fluid dynamics enthalpy plays an important role.
But I'm not necessarily interested in fluid dynamics.
I'm interested in the aerodynamics of yachts' sails. Where is enthalpy useful in the aerodynamics of sails or wings?
 
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Sailor Al said:
But I'm not necessarily interested in fluid dynamics.
I'm interested in the aerodynamics of yachts' sails.
Wikipedia:
In physics and engineering, fluid dynamics is a subdiscipline of fluid mechanics that describes the flow of fluidsliquids and gases. It has several subdisciplines, including aerodynamics (the study of air and other gases in motion) and hydrodynamics (the study of liquids in motion).
 
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Sailor Al said:
But I'm not necessarily interested in fluid dynamics.
I'm interested in the aerodynamics of yachts' sails. Where is enthalpy useful in the aerodynamics of sails or wings?
Aerodynamics is a subfield of fluid dynamics.
 
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Sailor Al said:
But if the references are explaining enthalpy, and enthalpy is not relevant to aerodynamics, what's the point of that if my study is aerodynamics. Don't you see the contradiction?
I have my answer, you have confirmed enthalpy is irrelevant to aerodynamics.
It is irrelevant only if you are assuming that the flow is isothermal (i.e., non-isothermal effects are negligible).
 
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Sailor Al said:
But I'm not necessarily interested in fluid dynamics.
I'm interested in the aerodynamics of yachts' sails. Where is enthalpy useful in the aerodynamics of sails or wings?
It is useful only when the amount of viscous frictional heating and compressional heating are sufficient (i.e., high Mach numbers) for the temperature to change significantly. For the range of operating conditions you have enumerated, it is not useful.
 
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Then the free enthalpy (or Gibbs energy), ##G=U-ST+PV=H-ST## is the right potential:
$$\mathrm{d} F=\mathrm{d} U -S \mathrm{d} T -T \mathrm{d} S + P \mathrm{d} V + V \mathrm{d} P = -S \mathrm{d} T + V \mathrm{d} P.$$
 
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Sailor Al said:
I want to understand why Anderson introduced enthalpy.
You could read-ahead through the text in Anderson’s book after he defines enthalpy - to see how he then uses enthalpy. Or have you already done that and found it is not used?
 
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Steve4Physics said:
You could read-ahead through the text in Anderson’s book after he defines enthalpy - to see how he then uses enthalpy. Or have you already done that and found it is not used?
Ha! Yes, and that is the nub.
I have read through the text, and he does use it, specifically Section 7.4.2 where he uses it to derive (7.19)
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Then via a very long and complex route* he "proves" that the errors in using air as compressible below M 0.3 are negligible.

*I'm working on a way to show the argument, but it needs work:
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Here's a link to the analysis, please feel free to comment.
 
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Sailor Al said:
I can find no "rules" for its use. No-one is saying there is a law of conservation of enthalpy.
I am a layman in aerodynamics. However, this is my view on your concern. In thermodynamics, $$dH=TdS+VdP$$ So, in an adiabatic, isobaric reversible process, ##dS=0, dP=0## the enthalpy##(H)## remains conserved.

Air is normally considered as insulator of heat. So if you consider a chunk of air as your system, all the thermodynamical changes within it are assumed to occur in the adiabatic way. In atmospheric science, adiabatic lapse rate is an example of such assumption which works well.

In addition, if some aerodynamical study is meant to pursue in a constant pressure zone, say, at a narrow range of altitude, then the study eventually becomes adiabatic, isobaric where H is constant as mentioned above. That may be the reason to introduce enthalpy.

Having said so, I don't know and couldn't realise either what kind of thermodynamical changes we see for a parcel of air, if the process is simultaneously adiabatic and isobaric. For an ideal gas, adiabaticity implies ##PV^{\gamma}=##constant. If we further set ##P## constant for isobaric process, then ##V## must become constant. Hence, no work done, no heat exchange and ##dU=0##. So everything stand still.

For a non-ideal gas, some meaningful changes may occur.
 
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