Entropy change and reversible/irreversible processes

In summary: For the surroundings, it is delta S = Q/T = mgh/T. The change in entropy of the mass is zero, since no work is done and no heat is absorbed.In summary, in this problem, a mass is thrown from a height and its entropy change, as well as the entropy change of the surroundings and the universe, is to be calculated. The main confusion lies in how to apply dS=dQ/T in an irreversible process. The solution involves treating the surroundings as an ideal reservoir and using the first law of thermodynamics to calculate the change in entropy of the surroundings, which is mgh/T. The change in entropy of the mass is zero, as no work is done and no heat is absorbed.
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Homework Statement


A mass m is thrown from a height of h. Find the entropy change of the mass, the surroundings and the universe. The temperature of the surroundings is T.

Homework Equations


dS=dQ/T
ΔU=Q+W

The Attempt at a Solution


The main thing I don't understand in this question is how we even can apply dS=dQ/T to the surroundings and the mass since all processes are irreversible. I know that entropy is a state function and you can choose a reversible process between two states and get the same entropy change as in a irreversible process, provided that all quantities we use to calculate the entropy change are state functions. Take the free expansion as an example, we can't use dS=dQ/T to calculate the entropy change since it's a irreversible process and Q isn't a state function, we have to use the central equation which only dependes on state functions. From the solution to this problem, which I've seen, it seems that dS=dQ/T was used. The entropy change of the surroundings is mgh/T, but the first law gives us Q=0 since the change in internal energy and the work the ground does is the same. I don't understand how both are true. The entropy change of the mass is zero, which I can understand if dS=dQ/T can be applied somehow.

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Here's what I get out of this problem statement. The potential energy of the mass is dissipated in this irreversible collision (or collisions if the mass bounces until is stops), and is converted to internal energy of the mass and the surroundings. Actually, the internal energy of the mass changes virtually not at all, and essentially all the energy is transferred to the surroundings. The surroundings is being treated as an ideal reservoir, with infinite capacity to absorb heat without its temperature changing. So the change in entropy of the surroundings is Q/T, where Q = mgh.
 
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FAQ: Entropy change and reversible/irreversible processes

What is entropy change?

Entropy change is a measure of the disorder or randomness of a system. It is a thermodynamic property that describes the distribution of energy within a system. It is typically denoted as ΔS and is measured in units of joules per kelvin (J/K).

How is entropy change related to reversible and irreversible processes?

In reversible processes, the entropy change is equal to zero because the system is in a state of equilibrium and there is no net increase in disorder. In irreversible processes, the entropy change is greater than zero because the system is moving away from equilibrium and becoming more disordered.

Can entropy change be negative?

Yes, entropy change can be negative. This occurs when the disorder or randomness of a system decreases, such as when a gas is compressed or when a liquid freezes. However, the overall entropy of the universe (including the surroundings) must always increase according to the second law of thermodynamics.

How is the direction of an entropy change determined?

The direction of an entropy change is determined by the second law of thermodynamics, which states that the total entropy of the universe must always increase. This means that for a process to be spontaneous, the entropy change of the universe must be positive.

What factors affect the magnitude of entropy change?

The magnitude of entropy change is affected by the temperature, pressure, and volume of the system. It is also affected by the number of particles in the system and the type of particles present. In general, the more energy that is dispersed or the more ways that energy can be distributed within a system, the greater the entropy change will be.

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