Entropy in isolated composite system for irreversible process

In summary, the study of entropy in isolated composite systems during irreversible processes highlights how entropy increases as systems evolve towards thermodynamic equilibrium. It emphasizes that in such systems, the total entropy reflects the degree of disorder and the irreversibility of processes, leading to a greater spread of energy states. The analysis demonstrates that the second law of thermodynamics governs these transformations, reinforcing the idea that isolated systems naturally progress toward states of higher entropy over time.
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Homework Statement
There is a section in the book "Physical Chemistry" by Silbey, Alberty, and Bawendi that I would like to understand.
Relevant Equations
When an ideal gas is heated reversibly, we can write

$$dU=C_VdT=\delta q_{rev}+\delta w=\delta q_{rev}-PdV=\delta q_{rev}-\frac{nRT}{V}dV$$
I am using the symbol ##\delta## in ##\delta q_{rev}## and ##\delta w## to denote an inexact differential.

$$\delta q_{rev}=C_VdT+\frac{nRT}{V}dV$$

We can turn this inexact differential into an exact differential by multiplying by the integrating factor ##\frac{1}{T}##.

$$\frac{\delta q_{rev}}{T}=\frac{C_V}{T}dT+\frac{nR}{V}dV$$

The state function associated with this exact differential is called entropy, ##S##. Thus
$$dS=\frac{\delta q_{rev}}{T}$$

The Clausius theorem says that

$$\oint \frac{\delta q}{T}\leq 0\tag{3.14}$$

This is a statement of the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

The inequality above is to be understood as follows

(a) If any part of the cyclic process is irreversible (spontaneous), we have strict inequality.

(b) If the cyclic process is reversible, we have equality.

(c) It is impossible for the cyclic integral to be greater than zero.

Starting at this point, there are a series of statements that I don't quite understand.

Equation 3.14 leads to the following inequality for a noncyclic process

$$dS\geq \frac{\delta q}{T}$$

Question 1: How do we obtain the inequality above?

If the process is reversible, then ##dS=\frac{\delta q_{rev}}{T}##, and if the process is irreversible, then ##dS>\frac{\delta q_{irrev}}{T}##.

Question 2: How do we obtain ##dS>\frac{\delta q_{irrev}}{T}##?

My last question is about the following reasoning.

Suppose we have an isolated system. Then, ##\delta q=0## and therefore ##\Delta S=\int\frac{\delta q_{rev}}{T}>0## for a spontaneous process.

Thus, as long as spontaneous processes occur, entropy keeps increasing until equilibrium, in which entropy is at a maximum.

This reasoning can be applied to a system that is not isolated by treating the system plus its surroundings as an isolated system.

Suppose we have a composite system made of a main system and surroundings, and this composite is isolated.

$$dS_{tot}=dS_{sys}+dS_{surr}$$

If we have a reversible process in which the main system gains heat from the surroundings then

$$0=dS_{sys}-\frac{\delta q_{rev}}{T_{surr}}$$

$$dS_{sys}=\frac{\delta q_{rev}}{T_{surr}}=\frac{\delta q_{rev}}{T}$$

since ##T_{surr}=T## for a reversible process.

Next consider an irreversible process in which the system gains heat ##dq_{irrev}## from its surroundings.

$$dS_{sys}=dS_{tot}-dS_{surr}$$

If the transfer of heat occurs reversibly in the surroundings, the entropy change in the surroundings is ##-dq_{irrev}/T_{surr}## and so we have

$$dS_{sys}>\frac{\delta q_{irrev}}{T_{surr}}$$

since ##dS_{tot}>0$ for a spontaneous change in the total (isolated) system.

Question 3: What does it mean for the transfer of heat to occur reversibly in the surroundings (especially given that we are considering an irreversible transfer of heat to the main system)?

We can now combine equations

$$dS_{sys}\geq \frac{\delta q}{T_{surr}}$$

where the inequality applies when the process is irreversible and the equality applies when the process is reversible.

For a finite process

$$\Delta S_{sys}\geq \int\frac{\delta q}{T_{surr}}$$

I really spent a lot of time trying to understand the snippet above, especially the part about an irreversible process. But to no avail.
 
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So you know that the cyclic integral for a reversible integral is 0. As S is defined for equilibrium states, an irreversible process has to start and end at an equilibrium state. You can make a cyclic process out of it, closing the loop with a reversible process.
The prototype of such a process is a viscuous fluid in a container with a stirrer. You can heat up the fluid either reversibly by bringing it into contact with heat reservoirs of only slightly higher temperatures or you can increase its temperature by doing work on the stirrer (which irreversibly dissipates work into the internal energy of the fluid). Clearly the second process can be done in an adiabatic fashion. If only a part of the cyclic process going from nearby equilibrium states A to B so that T is approximately constant is irreversible, you have
## \oint dq_\mathrm{irr}/T \le \oint dq_\mathrm{rev}/T =\oint dS =0##
##\int_A^B dq_\mathrm{irr}/T +\int_B^A dq_\mathrm{rev}/T \le \int_A^B dS +\int_B^A dq_\mathrm{rev}/T## or ## dq_\mathrm{irr}/T \le dS##.
 
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What is meant in 3. is that the surrounding remains (approximately) in an equilibrium state, i.e. there is no appreciable temperature gradient building up in the surrounding.
 
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DrDu said:
What is meant in 3. is that the surrounding remains (approximately) in an equilibrium state, i.e. there is no appreciable temperature gradient building up in the surrounding.
I don't quite comprehend this.

Suppose we have an isolated total system composed of a main system and a much larger bath in which the main system is immersed.

According to the book, we can consider an irreversible process in which the main system gains $\delta q_{irrev}$ from the bath, and the latter loses this heat.

You are saying that the meaning of "the transfer of heat occurs reversibly in the bath" is that the bath remains approximately in an equilibrium state.

But we are dealing with an infinitesimal amount of heat being transferred.

It is not even clear to me what it means for this infinitesimal amount of heat transfer to be irreversible in the system.

My guess is that the bath is a heat reservoir for the main system, which means that the temperatures are different (ie, the system as a whole is not in equilibrium), and thus the heat transfer is not happening in a way that the main system and bath are in equilibrium at all times.

We cannot reverse any of the heat transfer at any point in time by a small infinitesimal change in the relative temperatures of the main system and bath, for example.

Given that the main system and bath are not in equilibrium, the equation ##dS_{sys}>\frac{\delta q}{T_{surr}}## comes from the equation ##dS_{tot}=dS_{sys}+dS_{surr}=dS_{sys}-\frac{\delta q}{T_{surr}}##.

We use ##dS_{tot}>0## (since by assumption the process happening in the system as a whole is irreversible) to conclude that ##dS_{sys}## is larger than the differential ##\frac{\delta Q}{T_{surr}}##.

Can we integrate this equation? Well, $T_{surr}$ is approximately constant, but what is ##\delta q## exactly?

Summary

We have an isolated composite system composed of a main system and a bath.

Suppose there is heat transfer between the subsystems. The initial crucial assumption is whether the heat transfer is a reversible or irreversible process. It seems to me that a separate assumption is whether or not the irreversible process is spontaneous.

If the heat transfer is reversible then we have $$dS_{sys}=\frac{\delta q}{T}$$ where ##T## is the common equilibrium temperature between main system and bath.

If the heat transfer is irreversible then if it is also spontaneous we conclude that ##dS_{sys}>\frac{\delta q}{T_{surr}}##.

If the heat transfer is irreversible but not spontaneous then ##dS_{sys}<\frac{\delta q}{T_{surr}}##.
 

FAQ: Entropy in isolated composite system for irreversible process

What is entropy in the context of an isolated composite system?

Entropy is a measure of the disorder or randomness of a system. In an isolated composite system, which does not exchange energy or matter with its surroundings, entropy quantifies the number of microscopic configurations that correspond to the macroscopic state of the system. As the system evolves, especially during irreversible processes, the total entropy tends to increase, reflecting a move towards greater disorder.

How does the second law of thermodynamics relate to entropy in irreversible processes?

The second law of thermodynamics states that the total entropy of an isolated system can never decrease over time. In irreversible processes, such as mixing or chemical reactions, the entropy of the system increases as it moves towards equilibrium. This law emphasizes that natural processes tend to favor states with higher entropy, leading to a greater degree of disorder in the system.

Can the entropy of an isolated composite system decrease during an irreversible process?

No, the entropy of an isolated composite system cannot decrease during an irreversible process. While local decreases in entropy may occur within subsystems, the overall entropy of the entire isolated system will either increase or remain constant. This is in accordance with the second law of thermodynamics, which governs the behavior of entropy in such systems.

What are some examples of irreversible processes that increase entropy?

Examples of irreversible processes that increase entropy include the melting of ice, mixing of different gases, spontaneous chemical reactions, and the diffusion of solutes in a solvent. In each of these cases, the system moves towards a more disordered state, resulting in an increase in overall entropy.

How does entropy affect the feasibility of a process in an isolated system?

Entropy plays a crucial role in determining the feasibility of processes in an isolated system. A process is feasible if it leads to an increase in the total entropy of the system. If the total entropy decreases, the process will not occur spontaneously. Therefore, understanding entropy helps predict the direction of processes and the conditions under which they will occur in isolated systems.

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