Entropy of a chemical reaction

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In the discussion on the entropy of a chemical reaction, the focus is on determining when the entropy change of the surroundings is greater than that of the system. For exothermic processes, the system's enthalpy change (ΔH) is negative, leading to a positive entropy change for the surroundings (ΔSsurr), which is greater than the system's negative entropy change (ΔSsys). In contrast, for endothermic processes, while ΔSsys is positive, ΔSsurr can also be positive but may vary in magnitude, yet it can still be greater than ΔSsys. The conclusion drawn is that in both cases, the entropy change of the surroundings is greater than that of the system, supporting option (C) as correct. Understanding the relationship between heat transfer and entropy changes is crucial for analyzing these processes.
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Homework Statement


The entropy change of surrounding is greater than that of the system in a/an
(A) exothermic process
(B) endothermic process
(C) both (A) and (B) are correct
(D) none of these are correct

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The Attempt at a Solution


ΔStot = ΔSsys + ΔSsurr
For a spontaneous process, ΔStot > 0
For an exothermic process, ΔH < 0 and for an endothermic process ΔH > 0
I don't really know what to do now. Please help.
 
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Try looking up a formula that relates ##\Delta S_{surr}## to ##\Delta H##. Remember that for chemical reactions performed at constant pressure, the change in enthalpy tells you the amount of heat transferred between the system and surroundings.
 
ΔG = ∆Hsys-T∆Ssys
At equilibrium ∆G = 0
So ∆Ssys = ∆Hsys/T
For exothermic reactions, ∆Hsys < 0 so ∆Ssys < 0
For ∆Ssys + ∆Ssurr > 0
∆Ssurr > 0
Since a positive number is always greater than a negative number, ∆Ssurr > ∆Ssys
So A is correct.
For endothermic reactions, ∆Ssys > 0 as ∆Hsys > 0
Now for ∆Ssys + ∆Ssurr > 0
We can have ∆Ssurr as
1. positive and larger than system entropy
2. Positive and smaller than system entropy
3. Negative but smaller in magnitude than system entropy.

So which of these would be appropriate?
 
erisedk said:
Since a positive number is always greater than a negative number, ∆Ssurr > ∆Ssys
The question asks which entropy change is the greater. I would interpret that in terms of magnitude.
 
A useful formula here is to remember that the entropy change of the surroundings depends on the amount of heat transferred to/from the system: ## \Delta S_{surr} = - \Delta H/T##

With this in mind (and the fact that for any spontaneous process ##\Delta G < 0##), how do the magnitudes of ##\Delta S_{sys}## and ##\Delta S_{surr}## compare in the two cases?
 
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