Entropy of a mole of an ideal gas

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The entropy change for one mole of an ideal gas is expressed as ΔS = ∫(C_v dT + P dV)/T. The relationship dU = C_v dT is derived from the first law of thermodynamics, where dQ = dU + dW. The discussion clarifies that for molar quantities, defining S and V as molar entropy and molar volume simplifies calculations. It is noted that combining dT and dV in an integral is only valid for indefinite integrals, not definite ones. The participants conclude with a better understanding of the derivation and the conditions under which these equations apply.
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Homework Statement

Show that the entropy of one mole of an ideal gas is given by \Delta S = \int \frac{C_v dT+PdV}{T}.
2. The attempt at a solution
\Delta S= \frac{dQ}{T}. From the 1st of Thermodynamics, \Delta U= \Delta Q - \Delta W, where W is the work done by the gas. Hence \Delta Q = \Delta U + \Delta W \Rightarrow dQ=dU+dW=C_vdT+PdV. So \Delta S= \int \frac{C_vdT+PdV}{T}.\square.
But this is cheat. By this I mean that I didn't know that dU=C_vdT. I deduced it because I had to fall over the result. How can I deduce dU=C_vdT, for an ideal gas?
Where did I supposed the 1 mol of the ideal gas?
Last question, what are the bounds of the integral of the change of entropy?
Because \Delta S = \int \frac{C_v dT+PdV}{T}=\int \frac{C_vdT}{T}+ \int \frac{PdV}{T} and I'm sure the bounds of the 2 integrals are different. For instance I think that the bounds of \int \frac{PdV}{T} are \int_{V_1}^{V_2} \frac{PdV}{T}. And I guess that the bounds of \int \frac{C_vdT}{T} are \int_{T_1}^{T_2} \frac{C_vdT}{T} but I'm not sure.
 
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fluidistic said:
How can I deduce dU=C_vdT, for an ideal gas?

By definition,

C_X=T\left(\frac{\partial S}{\partial T}\right)_X

where X is some constraint. This is easily combined with dU=T\,dS-P\,dV.

fluidistic said:
Where did I supposed the 1 mol of the ideal gas?

If you define S and V as the molar entropy and molar volume, respectively, then everything works out. You'll just multiply the answer by 1 mole.

fluidistic said:
Last question, what are the bounds of the integral of the change of entropy?

I don't believe it's possible to write a definite integral that contains both dT and dV. Combining them is a useful shorthand that works for the indefinite integral only.
 
Ok, thank you very much!
 
For a constant volume process, W = 0. From the first law, if W = 0, dQ = dU.

By definition dQ = nCvdT for a constant volume process. So dU = nCvdT.

AM
 
Andrew Mason said:
For a constant volume process, W = 0. From the first law, if W = 0, dQ = dU.

By definition dQ = nCvdT for a constant volume process. So dU = nCvdT.

AM

Thanks. I think I understand well now.
 
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