Environmental Physics - Radiative forcing effect on greenhouse effect

In summary, the conversation discusses the application of equations to determine the change in average surface temperature due to radiative forcing and the resulting increase in the greenhouse effect. The summary also highlights the potential confusion with the names and sign conventions used in the equations, suggesting that this may have led to incorrect calculations. Further clarification is needed to determine the correct approach.
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Homework Statement
To mitigate climate change, a large-scale afforestation project is commenced. The project aims to create a radiative forcing of ##\Delta Q = -1.0 Wm^{-2}## over 50 years by the removal of ##CO_{2}## through photosynthesis. Before the project is undertaken, a typical value of the outgoing longwave radiation (OLR) for the region is ##160 Wm^{-2}## and the average surface temperature is ##292 K##. After complete afforestation (of 50 years), the OLR reduces to ##145 Wm^{-2}##.

i) (a) Estimate the Greenhouse Effect, ##G##, for the region before planting begins.
(b) The total feedback parameter, ##\gamma##, for the region is found to be ##2.1 Wm^{-2}K^{-1}##. Assuming that the forcing target associated with the afforestation earlier is met, estimate what the surface temperature change will be due to the plant growth, hence calculate ##G## for the region after afforestation.
Relevant Equations
##G=\sigma T^{4}_{s} - OLR## where ##T_{s}## is the average surface temperature, ##G## is the Greenhouse Effect, and ##OLR## is the outgoing longwave radiation. ##\sigma## is the Stefan-Boltzmann Constant.

##\gamma = \frac{-Q_{ext}}{\Delta T_{s}}## where ##\gamma## is the total climate feedback parameter, ##Q_{ext}## is the applied radiative forcing, and ##\Delta T_{s}## is the resulting change in temperature. I think this equation is relevant for (b).
I think part (a) is simple enough. Here is what I have done.
(a) ##G=\sigma T^{4}_{s} - OLR##
$$ =\sigma (294)^{4} - 160 = 254 Wm^-{2} $$

Part (b) is where I am confused. I think I'm supposed to apply the second relevant equation, in order to get the change in average surface temperature due to the radiative forcing. Thus,

(b) $$\gamma = \frac{-Q_{ext}}{\Delta T_{s}} \longrightarrow 2.1 = -\frac{-1}{\Delta T_{s}} \longrightarrow \Delta T_{s} = +0.48 K$$
So now the temperature has increased from ##292 K## to ##292.48 K## as a result of the radiative forcing.
Thus,
##G = \sigma (294.48)^{4} - 145 = 272 Wm^{-2}##

but doesn't this imply afforestation has actually increased the Greenhouse effect? I would not expect this to be the case, which leads me to believe I may have done part (b) incorrectly. Any help/pointers would be greatly appreciated. This is my first time posting on this website, so I hope I have got the hang of the LaTeX. If it's easier to read, I've also attached an image of my working out.
image_2022-06-06_012327750.png
Thank you very much.
 
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Not familiar with this material but is it possible that the problem is simply due to confusion with names/sign-convention?

You have written:
##\Delta Q = -1.0 Wm^{-2}## and
##\gamma = \frac{-Q_{ext}}{\Delta T_{s}}##
Then you treat ##\Delta Q## and ##Q_{ext}## as if they are the same thing.

But perhaps ##Q_{ext}## is intended to be a positive quantity here - so ##Q_{ext} = -\Delta Q = 1.0 Wm^{-2}##.

Please note that's just an uninformed guess. If you check on your definitions of ##\Delta Q## and ##Q_{ext}## you should be able to tell.
 
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FAQ: Environmental Physics - Radiative forcing effect on greenhouse effect

1. What is radiative forcing and how does it affect the greenhouse effect?

Radiative forcing is the difference between the amount of solar energy absorbed by the Earth's atmosphere and the amount of energy radiated back into space. This energy imbalance can lead to changes in the Earth's temperature, which can then affect the greenhouse effect. Increased radiative forcing can enhance the greenhouse effect, resulting in a warming of the Earth's surface.

2. What are the main sources of radiative forcing?

The main sources of radiative forcing include human activities such as burning fossil fuels, deforestation, and industrial processes. These activities release greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, which trap heat and contribute to the radiative forcing effect.

3. How does the greenhouse effect contribute to climate change?

The greenhouse effect is a natural process that helps to regulate the Earth's temperature by trapping heat in the atmosphere. However, human activities have increased the levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, leading to an enhanced greenhouse effect and a warming of the Earth's surface. This contributes to climate change, as rising temperatures can have a range of impacts on the environment and ecosystems.

4. Can the radiative forcing effect be reduced or reversed?

Yes, the radiative forcing effect can be reduced or reversed by reducing the amount of greenhouse gases released into the atmosphere. This can be achieved through actions such as transitioning to renewable energy sources, implementing sustainable land use practices, and reducing overall carbon emissions.

5. How can we measure and monitor the radiative forcing effect?

The radiative forcing effect can be measured and monitored through various methods, including satellite observations, ground-based measurements, and computer modeling. These methods allow scientists to track changes in the Earth's energy balance and determine the contribution of different factors to the radiative forcing effect.

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