Equalizing Pressure in Pipe for Safe Container Design

[anolan23]

The MV/RT equation doesn't compute to that value, unless it's (2.54)^2 instead of 2.54^3 for the conversion of the volume

 

[Chestermiller]

The MV/RT equation doesn't compute to that value, unless it's (2.54)^2 instead of 2.54^3 for the conversion of the volume

I'll try to dig out my notes to check on the algebra. I don't have it to go through this from scratch again.

 

[Chestermiller]

Are there some errors in the numbers you put in the above equations? If so, I think you may be human.

I confirm the arithmetic error you identified. Are there any other errors that you have identified? Otherwise the 0.63 seconds should be 2.54 times as large. So the 0.8 sec. would be a little larger, and the 3 psi would be a little larger.

 

[anolan23]

I tried to solve the integral through SMath, but when calculating the Constant at the initial condition p(0), it says it cannot solve for C because there are no real roots.
http://imgur.com/a/mxSeB

 

[Chestermiller]

I tried to solve the integral through SMath, but when calculating the Constant at the initial condition p(0), it says it cannot solve for C because there are no real roots.
http://imgur.com/a/mxSeB

I had solved the equation numerically on a spread sheet. I no longer have the spread sheet file.

 

[anolan23]

what value should I use for μ, air viscosity?

 

[Chestermiller]

what value should I use for μ, air viscosity?

It is not necessary to specify a value. See post #31.

 

[anolan23]

Oh that was for the older solution.

How do you solve the equation numerically?

 

[Chestermiller]

Foward Euler with a time step of 0 01 sec

 

[anolan23]

Okay same thing. Thx

 

[anolan23]

http://imgur.com/a/IfYvT

Chestermiller,
I'm doing the Forward Euler to estimate the solution, but when calculating the first solution it's making me take the square root of a negative number. Did you have this problem?

 

[Chestermiller]

http://imgur.com/a/IfYvT

Chestermiller,
I'm doing the Forward Euler to estimate the solution, but when calculating the first solution it's making me take the square root of a negative number. Did you have this problem?

Do the first two time steps by hand, and show me the work please.

 

[anolan23]

Nvm I made an error. It calculates out.

I adjusted the SQRT(0.63) that you calculated and it comes out to be SQRT(0.1608).

Attached is my numerical solution to the dp/dt equation. IT doesn't make sense that the pressure inside the container is already at 100psi at 1 sec since the rate of increase of pressure is 95 psi/sec. The last sheet is where I did it.

 

[Chestermiller]

Nvm I made an error. It calculates out.

I adjusted the SQRT(0.63) that you calculated and it comes out to be SQRT(0.1608).

Isn't 0.63 times 2.54 equal to 1.6?

Attached is my numerical solution to the dp/dt equation. IT doesn't make sense that the pressure inside the container is already at 100psi at 1 sec since the rate of increase of pressure is 95 psi/sec. The last sheet is where I did it.

I thought you said that the rate of pressure rise was 15 psi/sec. Anyhow, if it were 95 psi/sec, wouldn't that mean that the pressure outside was 110 psi after 1 sec?

As I said earlier, I want to see your hand calculations for the first few time intervals. Until I see that, I'm not even going to look at the spreadsheet.[/QUOTE]

 

[anolan23]

0.63 X 2.54 is equal to 1.6, but there was another error in the denominator I believe.

Yes, 95psi/sec. You're right I didn't add 95+14.7 when comparing.

Let me know if you can't read the had calculations

 

[Chestermiller]

$p_2=p_1+0.01f_1=14.7+(0.01)(6.765)=14.768$

 

[anolan23]

yeah that's a mistake thx

 

[anolan23]

How can I account for gases other than air being used? Just change the R value?

 

[Chestermiller]

Instead of 29, you use the molecular weight of your other gas.

 

[anolan23]

It's saying a lighter gas allows for a higher rate of pressurization. I would have thought the opposite

 

[anolan23]

heres my excel