Equation of motion for a pendulum using Lagrange method

In summary, the equation of motion for a pendulum can be derived using the Lagrange method by first defining the kinetic and potential energies of the system. The kinetic energy (T) is expressed as a function of the pendulum's mass, length, and angular velocity, while the potential energy (V) is based on its height relative to a reference point. The Lagrangian (L) is then formulated as L = T - V. By applying the Euler-Lagrange equation, which relates the Lagrangian to the generalized coordinates and their time derivatives, one can derive the equation of motion, resulting in a second-order differential equation that describes the pendulum's oscillatory behavior. This method provides a systematic approach to analyze the dynamics
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Homework Statement
Find the equation of motion of the pendulum
Relevant Equations
Lagrangian L=T-V
Kinetic-Potential energy
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I move the system by a small angle θ . I am not sure if my calculations of kinetic and potential energy are correct.
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What calculations? All you have given is the final result, which does not look correct to me.
 
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I do not understand if this just a problem treated like a pendulum with a simple sphere but just adding the other 2 sphere's masses. Is the potential energy supposed to have a different y for each sphere?
 
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You are asserting that the speed of the outer spheres are the same as that of B? Is this reasonable?

morpheus343 said:
Is the potential energy supposed to have a different y for each sphere?
What would you say based on your second diagram in the OP? Are all spheres at the same height? Does the answer matter?
 
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Then it would be like this. This was my first assumption but i got lost in the algebra and thought i was maybe wrong and it was supposed to be simpler
 
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Well, for the potential energy, perhaps there is an argument to make it simpler? What can you say about the center of mass?

For the kinetic energy, I did not check the math, but yes, you indeed need to take the distance to C and D using the Pythagorean theorem. Note that, since the distance appears squared in T, you should probably keep the exact rational 1+4/9 = 13/9 in the expression.
 
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Well, for the potential energy, perhaps there is an argument to make it simpler? What can you say about the center of mass?

For the kinetic energy, I did not check the math, but yes, you indeed need to take the distance to C and D using the Pythagorean theorem. Note that, since the distance appears squared in T, you should probably keep the exact rational 1+4/9 = 13/9 in the expression.
It's at sphere B which is the midpoint of CD. So i only need the vertical distance from the centre of mass when calculating the potential energy?
 
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morpheus343 said:
It's at sphere B which is the midpoint of CD. So i only need the vertical distance from the centre of mass when calculating the potential energy?
Yes. By definition, the potential energy for any mass distribution is given by
$$
V = \int U(z) \rho(\vec x) dV
$$
where ##U(z)## is the gravitational potential and ##\rho## the density. Assuming ##U(z) = gz## (homogeneous field), you’ll find
$$
V = g \int z \rho(\vec x) dV \equiv m g \bar z
$$
where ##\bar z## is the z-coordinate of the center of mass by definition:
$$
\bar z = \frac 1m \int z \rho(\vec x) dV
$$
 
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FAQ: Equation of motion for a pendulum using Lagrange method

What is the Lagrangian for a simple pendulum?

The Lagrangian for a simple pendulum is defined as the difference between the kinetic energy (T) and the potential energy (V) of the system. For a pendulum of length \( l \) and mass \( m \), the Lagrangian \( L \) is given by \( L = T - V \). The kinetic energy \( T \) is \( \frac{1}{2} m l^2 \dot{\theta}^2 \) and the potential energy \( V \) is \( mgl(1 - \cos\theta) \), where \( \theta \) is the angular displacement.

How do you derive the equation of motion for a pendulum using the Lagrange method?

To derive the equation of motion, you first write the Lagrangian \( L = \frac{1}{2} m l^2 \dot{\theta}^2 - mgl(1 - \cos\theta) \). Then, apply the Euler-Lagrange equation \( \frac{d}{dt} \left( \frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{\theta}} \right) - \frac{\partial L}{\partial \theta} = 0 \). This leads to \( m l^2 \ddot{\theta} + mgl \sin\theta = 0 \). Simplifying, we get the equation of motion \( \ddot{\theta} + \frac{g}{l} \sin\theta = 0 \).

What assumptions are made in the Lagrange method for a simple pendulum?

The primary assumptions are that the pendulum is a rigid body with a fixed length, the motion is confined to a plane, and the pivot point is frictionless. Additionally, the mass of the string or rod is negligible compared to the mass of the bob, and air resistance is ignored.

What is the small-angle approximation for the pendulum's equation of motion?

The small-angle approximation assumes that \( \theta \) is small enough such that \( \sin\theta \approx \theta \) (in radians). Under this approximation, the equation of motion \( \ddot{\theta} + \frac{g}{l} \sin\theta = 0 \) simplifies to \( \ddot{\theta} + \frac{g}{l} \theta = 0 \), which is a simple harmonic oscillator equation.

How does the length of the pendulum affect its period of motion?

The period \( T \) of a simple pendulum, for small oscillations, is given by \( T = 2\pi \sqrt{\frac{l}{g}} \).

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