Equations governing cavitation, flow speed, and delta vapor pressure...

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ellenb899
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Homework Statement
I am looking for equations governing cavitation, flow speed, and delta vapor pressure, local pressure please!
Relevant Equations
Bernoulli's equations...
Looking for the flow speed for cavitation to occur
 
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30 second googling suggests good start could be something called "cavitation number".
 
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Yes I have found that. It is the rearranging for velocity as I do not have a value for cavitation number.
 
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In a flow, if the pressure drops below the vapor pressure of the fluid cavitation can occur. There is no “cavitation velocity” as far as I remember.
 
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Flow velocity of the fluid is what I am talking about
 
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ellenb899 said:
Flow velocity of the fluid is what I am talking about
but it depends on pressure, not velocity. There is no single “cavitation velocity”.
 
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The question gives the 2 pressures, and asks which flow speed would cavitation be possible in the liquid.
 
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ellenb899 said:
The question gives the 2 pressures, and asks which flow speed would cavitation be possible in the liquid.
Post the whole question please. Is there a diagram?
 
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No diagram. Question is as follows:
The vapor pressure of water is 23.3hPa and the total pressure is 30hPa. At which flow speed would cavitation be possible in the liquid?
 
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ellenb899 said:
No diagram. Question is as follows:
The vapor pressure of water is 23.3hPa and the total pressure is 30hPa. At which flow speed would cavitation be possible in the liquid?
Do you have a relationship for the total pressure?
 
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ellenb899 said:
No diagram. Question is as follows:
The vapor pressure of water is 23.3hPa and the total pressure is 30hPa. At which flow speed would cavitation be possible in the liquid?
Please, see:
https://www.grc.nasa.gov/www/k-12/airplane/bern.html

As the flow velocity increases, so does the dynamic pressure at expense of the static pressure, if the total pressure remains the same (as the problem seems to imply).
As the velocity of the flow increases, cavitation will start when the decreasing static pressure reaches the value of the vapor pressure.

Magic-Water-Illustration-e1548771890348.jpg
 
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erobz said:
Do you have a relationship for the total pressure?
No I dont
 
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ellenb899 said:
No I dont
But you have in the relevant equations section "Bernoulli's"?

$$ P_s + \rho g h + \rho \frac{V^2}{2} = \text{constant} = P_{total} $$
 
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That was an attempt. Referring to your first answer it is cavitation number equation that is used.
 
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ellenb899 said:
That was an attempt. Referring to your first answer it is cavitation number equation that is used.
But that is the relevant equation... Imagining a single location of a flow having total pressure ##P_{total} = 30 \rm{hPa}##. The Static Pressure ##P_s## cannot drop below the vapor pressure of the liquid ( i.e. ##P_{static} > P_{vapor}##), or cavitation can occur. Since we are examining at a single location, the elevation ##h## can be taken as the ##0## datum without consequence.

What are you left with using all the information?
 
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$$ v = \sqrt \frac 2P p $$
 
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ellenb899 said:
$$ v = \sqrt \frac 2P p $$
Lets take this one step at a time:

Start with:

$$ P_{static} > P_{vapor} $$

The left hand side ##P_{static}## can be represented in terms of ##P_{total}## and ##V## using the equation for ##P_{total}## in post #13. What is that result?

P.S. thank you for using ##LaTeX##
 
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$$ \sqrt{\frac{2p}{p}} = \frac{p_{\text{static}}}{v} $$
 
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ellenb899 said:
$$ \sqrt{\frac{2p}{p}} = \frac{p_{\text{static}}}{v} $$
It's an inequality. We need to end with ##V < \text{something}##. And, that is not one step...

Substitute into the inequality for ##P_{static}## using the equation in post#13 ( it labled ##P_s## in that post) . We are trying to get rid of ##P_{static}## in the inequality by replacing it with variables we know ##P_{total}## and variables we want to know ##V##.

Please just write the resulting inequality of that step.

$$ \cdots > P_{vapor}$$

fill in the blank ##\cdots## on the left hand side (LHS).
 
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$$ \frac{p_{\text{static}}}{v} > P_{\text{vapour}} $$

But if looking for v value, it cannot be an inequality?
 
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ellenb899 said:
$$ \frac{p_{\text{static}}}{v} > P_{\text{vapour}} $$
Incorrect. There should be nothing on the lefthand side other than the variables ##P_{total}## and ##V##. try again.

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But if looking for v value, it cannot be an inequality?
You have to think a bit here about what things mean. You're just ( rather poorly - without care) throwing variables around...its a waste of time.
 
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$$ \frac{p_{\text{total}}}{V} > P_{\text{vapour}} $$
 
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ellenb899 said:
$$ \frac{p_{\text{total}}}{V} > P_{\text{vapour}} $$
No. use the equation in post #13... This step needs to look like:

$$ \overbrace{\text{something} \pm \text{something}}^{ = P_{static}} > P_{vapor} $$
 
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FAQ: Equations governing cavitation, flow speed, and delta vapor pressure...

What are the key equations governing cavitation in fluid dynamics?

The key equations governing cavitation include the Rayleigh-Plesset equation, which describes the dynamics of a spherical gas bubble in a liquid, and Bernoulli's equation, which relates the pressure, velocity, and height in a flowing fluid. The Rayleigh-Plesset equation is given by: \[ R\ddot{R} + \frac{3}{2}\dot{R}^2 = \frac{1}{\rho} \left( p_g - p_\infty - \frac{2\sigma}{R} - 4\mu \frac{\dot{R}}{R} \right) \]where \( R \) is the bubble radius, \( \dot{R} \) and \( \ddot{R} \) are the first and second time derivatives of the radius, \( \rho \) is the liquid density, \( p_g \) is the gas pressure inside the bubble, \( p_\infty \) is the far-field pressure, \( \sigma \) is the surface tension, and \( \mu \) is the liquid viscosity.

How does flow speed affect cavitation?

Flow speed affects cavitation through its influence on local pressure. According to Bernoulli's principle, as the flow speed increases, the pressure in the fluid decreases. When the local pressure drops below the vapor pressure of the liquid, cavitation occurs, forming vapor bubbles. The relationship can be described by Bernoulli's equation:\[ p + \frac{1}{2}\rho v^2 + \rho gh = \text{constant} \]where \( p \) is the pressure, \( \rho \) is the fluid density, \( v \) is the flow velocity, and \( h \) is the height above a reference point. Higher flow speeds lead to lower pressures, which can induce cavitation if the pressure falls below the vapor pressure.

What is delta vapor pressure and how does it relate to cavitation?

Delta vapor pressure (ΔP) is the difference between the local pressure in the fluid and the vapor pressure of the liquid. Cavitation occurs when the local pressure drops below the vapor pressure, creating a negative ΔP. Mathematically, it is expressed as:\[ \Delta P = P_{\text{local}} - P_{\text{vapor}} \]When ΔP is negative, vapor bubbles can form, leading to cavitation. Controlling ΔP is crucial in preventing cavitation in various engineering applications.

What are the effects of cavitation on fluid flow and mechanical components?

Cavitation can have several detrimental effects on fluid flow and mechanical components. It can cause significant damage to surfaces through pitting and erosion when

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