Escape velocity when the rocket's mass is not small compared to the asteroid

In summary, the conversation discusses the speed of release or escape velocity of an object from an asteroid, taking into account the forces exerted by the star and the object on each other. The speed is calculated using the equations of conservation of energy and inertia, and it is relative to the center of mass of the system. The conversation also mentions the need to anchor the asteroid in space in order to prevent it from accelerating due to gravity.
  • #36
Lucw said:
we find that the escape velocity does not depend of the mass of the object that escapes...
Well, it does in general:
Lucw said:
V = square root (2.G. (m1 + m2) / d).
It depends on both masses.
We can also use ##v_1 = \frac{V m_2}{m_1+m_2}## to find $$v_1 = m_2 \sqrt{\frac{2G}{d(m_1+m_2)}}$$ which depends on both masses as well.

If we assume ##m_1 \ll m_2## then ##m_1+m_2 \approx m_2## and we get ##v_1\approx V \approx \sqrt{\frac{2Gm_2}{d}}##, now the velocity does not depend on m1 any more (as long as it is small).
 
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  • #37
Lucw said:
Heavy objects fall faster than light objects.
No. We have been over this exhaustively before.
 
  • #38
Dale said:
No. We have been over this exhaustively before.

##\frac{d^2R}{dt^2}=-\frac{\mid F_{Earth}\mid}{M}-\frac{\mid F_{object}\mid}{m}##
##\mid F_{Earth}\mid=\frac{G*M*m}{R^2}##
##\mid F_{object}\mid=\frac{G*M*m}{R^2}##
##\frac{d^2R}{dt^2}=-\frac{G*(M+m)}{R^2}##
  • R is distance between falling object and Earth.
  • m is mass of falling object.
  • M is mass of Earth.
  • t is time.
  • G is gravitational constant.
If falling speed means relative speed between Earth and falling object, then object with bigger mass falls faster.
If falling speed means speed of falling object in inertial frame of refference , then on same distance from Earth all objects have same acceleration regardless of their mass. But having fallen equal time, massive objects have bigger speed, bigger acceleration and smaller distance from Earth.
 
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  • #39
olgerm said:
If falling speed means relative speed between Earth and falling object, then object with bigger mass falls faster.
If falling speed means speed of falling object in inertial frame of refference , then on same distance from Earth all objects have same acceleration regardless of their mass.
As was already discussed exhaustively in his previous thread on the topic.
 

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