Estimating # of photons/electron from magnetron.

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In summary: Yes, most of the energy loss is in the magnetron. Electrons do spiral down to the nucleus of an atom, but the energy levels are not the same in the magnetron as they are in an atom.
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Say a microwave oven magnetron operates at 2000V between the cathode and anode. Say the magnetron has an efficiency of 75%. Say the microwave photons have a energy of about 10E-5eV. We are told that most of the energy loss is in the magnetron.

Can we then say that each electron on average on its way from the cathode to the anode emits about .75x2000/10E-5 = 1.5E8 microwave photons?

Is there a way to come up with a rough number for the number of orbits a typical electron makes in the magnetron on its way from cathode to anode.

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Say a microwave oven magnetron operates at 2000V between the cathode and anode. Say the magnetron has an efficiency of 75%. Say the microwave photons have a energy of about 10E-5eV. We are told that most of the energy loss is in the magnetron.

Can we then say that each electron on average on its way from the cathode to the anode emits about .75x2000/10E-5 = 1.5E8 microwave photons?

Is there a way to come up with a rough number for the number of orbits a typical electron makes in the magnetron on its way from cathode to anode.

Thanks!
As far as I can see, the electrons do not radiate but are used to generate AC in the cavity resonators. There is no necessity to have radiation from the system and so I cannot see the connection to photons.
 
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Thanks tech99. At some point microwave photons are produced, quanta?

We have electrons which start out with a large potential energy and over some time lose about 2000 eV of energy, is this energy not lost in quantum jumps? The magnetron seems kind of like an electron spiraling down to the nucleus of an atom with the anode being the nucleus. Of course the magnetic field complicates things but seems to me like there should be something like energy levels of an atom for the electron inside the magnetron.

Thanks!
 

Related to Estimating # of photons/electron from magnetron.

1. How do you estimate the number of photons or electrons from a magnetron?

To estimate the number of photons or electrons from a magnetron, you need to know the output power of the magnetron and the frequency of the emitted radiation. Using these values, you can calculate the number of photons or electrons using the formula: N = P/(hf), where N is the number of photons or electrons, P is the output power, h is Planck's constant, and f is the frequency.

2. What is a magnetron and how does it work?

A magnetron is a type of vacuum tube that is used to generate microwave radiation. It consists of a cathode, an anode, and a series of resonant cavities and magnets. When a high voltage is applied to the cathode, electrons are emitted and accelerated towards the anode. The magnets then cause the electrons to spiral around the resonant cavities, which in turn generate the microwave radiation.

3. Can the number of photons or electrons from a magnetron be measured directly?

No, the number of photons or electrons from a magnetron cannot be measured directly. However, it can be estimated using the formula mentioned in the first question. The output power and frequency of the emitted radiation can be measured, but the actual number of photons or electrons cannot be measured directly.

4. How does the number of photons or electrons from a magnetron affect its performance?

The number of photons or electrons from a magnetron is directly related to its output power. The more photons or electrons that are generated, the higher the output power of the magnetron will be. This is important in applications where a high power output is required, such as in microwave ovens or radar systems.

5. Are there any factors that can affect the accuracy of estimating the number of photons or electrons from a magnetron?

Yes, there are several factors that can affect the accuracy of estimating the number of photons or electrons from a magnetron. These include the efficiency of the magnetron, the quality of the resonant cavities, and any external factors that may interfere with the emitted radiation. It is important to take these factors into consideration when estimating the number of photons or electrons from a magnetron.

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