Even Better Than Superior To Nature?

In summary, the conversation discusses the possibility of creating smaller and more efficient synthetic setae using carbon nanotubes and carbon strings. However, it is determined that long chains of carbon strings are unstable and that the smallest possible diameter for a carbon-only wire is 0.4 nanometers.
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A few months ago I linked to this development in the creation of synthetic setae far better than those of geckos: http://www.wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,68639,00.html

In the time since, I've done some research, corresponded with the team leader involved with the linked research and then came up with a new idea.
Ok, picture a rubber sheet, or eventually a flexible diamond-like carbon compound, on this sheet are setae, on the ends of the setae are spatulae, on the ends of the spatulae are carbon nanotubes, sizes ranging from 50nm or so in diameter down to 0.4nm(Allowing the majority of the spatulae's tips to be covered in nanotubes, without wasted space in between them.) Now for my idea, the carbon nanotubes end in C=C=C string hairs.
My question is, since I can't find anything on them, are there such things as C=C=C strings? Picture carbon atoms linked together like a pearl necklace. One atom in diameter, and of any required length.
Second question, if they exist, are C=C=C strings hydrophobic?
 
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I doubt there would be strings of =C=C=C=C= . . . C=C=.

There certainly is propadiene H2C=C=CH2, but there is no butatriene H2C=C=C=CH2, though there is butadiene, H2C=CH-CH=CH2.

I would expect the chains of =C=C= are rather chemically unstable, and either form the common graphite or diamond allotropes, or perhaps fullerenes.

See also - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allotropes_of_carbon (very limited discussion)

Some information about carbon allotropes included - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allotropy
 
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Astronuc said:
I doubt there would be strings of =C=C=C=C= . . . C=C=.
There certainly is propadiene H2C=C=CH2, but there is no butatriene H2C=C=C=CH2, though there is butadiene, H2C=CH-CH=CH2.
I would expect the chains of =C=C= are rather chemically unstable, and either form the common graphite or diamond allotropes, or perhaps fullerenes.
See also - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allotropes_of_carbon (very limited discussion)
Some information about carbon allotropes included - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allotropy


Why?

Perhaps strings of Carbon[tri-bond]Carbon[tri-bond]Carbon[tri-bond]Carbon...?

Any other way you can think of to get hydrophobic hairs smaller than 0.4nm in diameter? How much smaller?
 
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One cannot do C(tribond)C(tribond)C . . . since each carbon would have 6 bonds - and that would be extremely reactive.

Nature always tries to get to least energy, and long chains of C=C=C . . . would be unstable with respect to graphite which more easily obtained than diamond. If it were possible and easy, many folks would already be doing it.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/particles/atomsiz.html

The carbon atom has a radius of approximately 0.22 nm, so that is the theoretical limit of a fiber - but that is one atomic diameter - and I do not see a manufacturing technique building fibers of 1 or 2 atomic diameters.
 
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Astronuc said:
One cannot do C(tribond)C(tribond)C . . . since each carbon would have 6 bonds - and that would be extremely reactive.
Nature always tries to get to least energy, and long chains of C=C=C . . . would be unstable with respect to graphite which more easily obtained than diamond. If it were possible and easy, many folks would already be doing it.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/particles/atomsiz.html
The carbon atom has a radius of approximately 0.22 nm, so that is the theoretical limit of a fiber - but that is one atomic diameter - and I do not see a manufacturing technique building fibers of 1 or 2 atomic diameters.

Hmmm, ok. Thanks for the help.

4 angstroms, or 0.4 nanometers, is the smallest known, and smallest theoretical as well, diameter of a carbon nanotube. So that's probably the smallest, stable carbon-only wire that can be done.
 

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