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Hi all,
I'd be happy if someone could clarify these two things to me:
1. While solving linear first-order ODE, I first solve homogenous equation (with the right side equal to 0) and eventually I get to the point (just an example):
[tex]
\log |y| = \log C(e^{x} - 1)
[/tex]
Now, is it ok to compute [itex]C[/itex] for given non-homogenous equation and then write there two solutions
[tex]
y = C(e^{x} - 1)
[/tex]
[tex]
y = -C(e^{x} - 1)\mbox{ ?}
[/tex]
Because, you know, both satisfy
[tex]
\log |y| = \log C(e^{x} - 1)
[/tex]
Anyway, sometimes it gave me correct results (both [itex]C(e^{x} - 1)[/itex] and [itex]-C(e^{x} - 1)[/itex] were solutions) while other times only plus-signed solution was ok.
2. Solving Bernoulli's ODE, let's say
[tex]
y' = 2y + 2x\sqrt{y}
[/tex]
and substituting
[tex]
z = \sqrt{y}
[/tex]
[tex]
y = z^2
[/tex]
[tex]
y' = 2zz'
[/tex]
We get
[tex]
2zz' = 2z^2 + 2xz
[/tex]
and first thing I do is dividing with [itex]2z[/itex] and so getting the condition [itex]z \neq 0[/itex]
After some computing, I get the result
[tex]
z = Ce^{x} - x - 1
[/tex]
and thus
[tex]
y = (Ce^{x} - x - 1)^2
[/tex]
a) first question
I'd suppose this expression must not get zeroed because at the beginning we divided the equation with [itex]2z[/itex]. Anyway, even if [itex]C=1[/itex] and [itex]x=0[/itex] (and thus [itex]z = 0 = y[/itex]), the original equation holds true. How it comes?b) second question
Having the substitution above in mind, I know that [itex]z[/itex] itself must be [itex]\geq 0[/itex]. Anyway, if we take [itex]C \in (0, 1)[/itex], then the equation
[tex]
Ce^{x} -x - 1 = 0
[/tex]
has two roots, [itex]x_0[/itex] and [itex]x_1[/itex]. Then we know that
for [itex]x \in (x_0, x_1)[/itex]
[tex]
Ce^{x} -x - 1 < 0
[/tex]
Ok, still remembering that this is [itex]z[/itex] and it must be [itex]\geq 0[/itex], we shouldn't accept this interval for [itex]x[/itex]. However, what's the problem with this solution on this interval? When you put it in the original equation, it's ok I think.
I can't understand why the interval [itex](x_0,x_1)[/itex] is excluded from the solution (according to our professor).Thank you for any suggestions.
I'd be happy if someone could clarify these two things to me:
1. While solving linear first-order ODE, I first solve homogenous equation (with the right side equal to 0) and eventually I get to the point (just an example):
[tex]
\log |y| = \log C(e^{x} - 1)
[/tex]
Now, is it ok to compute [itex]C[/itex] for given non-homogenous equation and then write there two solutions
[tex]
y = C(e^{x} - 1)
[/tex]
[tex]
y = -C(e^{x} - 1)\mbox{ ?}
[/tex]
Because, you know, both satisfy
[tex]
\log |y| = \log C(e^{x} - 1)
[/tex]
Anyway, sometimes it gave me correct results (both [itex]C(e^{x} - 1)[/itex] and [itex]-C(e^{x} - 1)[/itex] were solutions) while other times only plus-signed solution was ok.
2. Solving Bernoulli's ODE, let's say
[tex]
y' = 2y + 2x\sqrt{y}
[/tex]
and substituting
[tex]
z = \sqrt{y}
[/tex]
[tex]
y = z^2
[/tex]
[tex]
y' = 2zz'
[/tex]
We get
[tex]
2zz' = 2z^2 + 2xz
[/tex]
and first thing I do is dividing with [itex]2z[/itex] and so getting the condition [itex]z \neq 0[/itex]
After some computing, I get the result
[tex]
z = Ce^{x} - x - 1
[/tex]
and thus
[tex]
y = (Ce^{x} - x - 1)^2
[/tex]
a) first question
I'd suppose this expression must not get zeroed because at the beginning we divided the equation with [itex]2z[/itex]. Anyway, even if [itex]C=1[/itex] and [itex]x=0[/itex] (and thus [itex]z = 0 = y[/itex]), the original equation holds true. How it comes?b) second question
Having the substitution above in mind, I know that [itex]z[/itex] itself must be [itex]\geq 0[/itex]. Anyway, if we take [itex]C \in (0, 1)[/itex], then the equation
[tex]
Ce^{x} -x - 1 = 0
[/tex]
has two roots, [itex]x_0[/itex] and [itex]x_1[/itex]. Then we know that
for [itex]x \in (x_0, x_1)[/itex]
[tex]
Ce^{x} -x - 1 < 0
[/tex]
Ok, still remembering that this is [itex]z[/itex] and it must be [itex]\geq 0[/itex], we shouldn't accept this interval for [itex]x[/itex]. However, what's the problem with this solution on this interval? When you put it in the original equation, it's ok I think.
I can't understand why the interval [itex](x_0,x_1)[/itex] is excluded from the solution (according to our professor).Thank you for any suggestions.
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