Expected value of x for quantum oscillator - integration help

In summary, the conversation discusses finding the expected value of x for a given wavefunction and the corresponding integral. The attempt at a solution involves using integration by parts and an integration table, and the question arises about the validity of a shortcut method. It is determined that the integral does not converge if A<0 and that the expected value of x is 0 for this specific integral.
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Homework Statement



I have a wavefunction [itex]Cxe^{-ax^2}[/itex] and I have to find the expected value of x.

Homework Equations



[itex]∫_{-∞}^{∞} x^3 e^{-Ax^2} dx = 1/A^2 for A>0[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution



I get an integral like this:

[itex]<x>=|C|^2 ∫_{-∞}^{∞} x^3 e^{-Ax^2} dx[/itex]

After trying integration by parts and failing (miserably), I took the coward's way out and went to an integration table. I found this:

[itex]∫_{-∞}^{∞} x^3 e^{-Ax^2} dx = 1/A^2 for A>0[/itex]

My question is this: my [itex]a=ωm/ \hbar[/itex] is always positive, right? I googled stuff on negative frequency, but I don't think that it applies in this situation (quantum oscillator).
 
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Actually, I think I got it using integration by parts, but I'd still like to know if my 'shortcut' is still valid.
 
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If A<0, it's not that you need a different formula, it's that your integral doesn't converge at all.

Although for this specific integral I think you either wrote it down wrong or did the problem wrong because you're integrating an odd function and should just get 0 regardless of what a is (again, as long as it's positive so the integral converges)
 
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I realized that now using Wolfram Alpha...that was my first thought, but then I thought that it would be too easy. I need to stop convincing myself that an easy solution is wrong solution...
 
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I would first like to commend you for attempting to solve the problem on your own before resorting to looking at an integration table. This shows good problem-solving skills and a willingness to learn.

To answer your first question, yes, in the context of a quantum oscillator, the value of a=ωm/\hbar is always positive. This is because the frequency ω is related to the energy of the oscillator, which cannot be negative in quantum mechanics.

Regarding your attempt at integration, it is important to note that integration by parts may not always be the most efficient method for solving a particular integral. In this case, using the integration table was a valid approach and it gave you the correct result. However, it is always good to have a basic understanding of integration techniques and to try them out before resorting to looking at tables or using software.

In summary, your approach was correct and your result is valid. But as a scientist, it is important to have a deeper understanding of the underlying principles and techniques involved in solving a problem. Keep up the good work!
 

FAQ: Expected value of x for quantum oscillator - integration help

What is the expected value of x for a quantum oscillator?

The expected value of x for a quantum oscillator is equal to zero. This means that, on average, the position of the oscillator will be at the center of its oscillation.

How do you calculate the expected value of x for a quantum oscillator?

The expected value of x for a quantum oscillator is calculated by using the integration of the position operator x with respect to the wave function of the oscillator. This is represented as ∫ x|Ψ(x)|²dx, where Ψ(x) is the wave function and dx is the infinitesimal displacement in the position x.

What is the significance of the expected value of x for a quantum oscillator?

The expected value of x for a quantum oscillator represents the most probable position of the oscillator. It is a fundamental concept in quantum mechanics and is used to calculate various physical properties of the oscillator.

Can the expected value of x for a quantum oscillator be negative?

Yes, the expected value of x for a quantum oscillator can be negative. This simply means that the most probable position of the oscillator is on the negative side of the x-axis. It is important to note that this does not mean that the oscillator can have a negative position, as position is always a positive quantity.

How does the expected value of x for a quantum oscillator change with different wave functions?

The expected value of x for a quantum oscillator is dependent on the wave function used to describe the oscillator. Different wave functions will result in different expected values of x. However, the expected value of x will always be equal to the average value of x, which is calculated by integrating the product of the position operator and the wave function over all possible positions.

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