Explaining (ir)reversibility with S.M.

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In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of entropy in an isolated system and how it changes depending on the process used to compress the system. It explores the use of classical thermodynamics and statistical mechanics in understanding this concept and raises the question of how to determine if a process is reversible or irreversible. The conversation also poses the question of how physics justifies a process being considered reversible.
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Goodday,

Everyone knows: imagine the isolated system consisting of a reservoir and a box with a gas and one of its sides is a piston. If we (inside the system) compress the piston quasi-statically, the entropy increase of the isolated system is zero (or negligible if we do it slowly enough). If we on the other hand charge and bump into the piston and compress it all at once, the entropy change is considerable.

Now I was wondering how I could imagine this quantity S in this situation and more specifically: try to explain it (intuitively).

So I was thinking of doing it with classical thermodynamics with the use of Clausius' relation, but then your argument depends on you classifying it as a reversible or irreversible, which is kind of what you are trying to explain.

If we look at Statistical Mechanics, I see no connection at all with (ir)reversibility. If we denote the entropy of the isolated system as S, then S = k log(omega). Now is there anything in the theory of S.M. that predicts (and maybe even explains...) that in the first scenario, omega is constant, and in the latter, omega grows?
 
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Irreversibility is a statistical statement of probabilities being sufficiently high. Where is the problem?
 
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mr. vodka said:
Now is there anything in the theory of S.M. that predicts (and maybe even explains...) that in the first scenario, omega is constant, and in the latter, omega grows?
It's worth thinking about what the actual question is.
Both thermodynamics and statmech say that there are reversible and irreversible processes. You need to know the exact process to judge which one it is. So what is the question now?

Maybe a better question is: Whatever you see as a quasi-static process (slow?), how does physics justify that it is reversible?
 

FAQ: Explaining (ir)reversibility with S.M.

What is the concept of irreversibility in science?

The concept of irreversibility in science refers to a process or phenomenon that cannot be undone or reversed. This means that once a change or transformation occurs, it cannot be reversed, and the system or object will never return to its original state.

What is the significance of understanding irreversibility in scientific research?

Understanding irreversibility is crucial in scientific research as it helps us predict and explain the behavior of natural systems. It also allows us to identify irreversible processes and develop methods to control or mitigate their effects.

How does the concept of irreversibility relate to the second law of thermodynamics?

The second law of thermodynamics states that the total entropy (disorder) of a closed system will always increase over time. This means that natural processes tend to become more disordered and irreversible, which is closely related to the concept of irreversibility.

Can irreversible processes ever be reversed?

In theory, it is possible to reverse some irreversible processes, but it would require an input of energy or an external intervention. For most natural systems, however, irreversible processes cannot be reversed without significant consequences.

What is the role of Statistical Mechanics in explaining irreversibility?

Statistical Mechanics is a branch of physics that uses statistical methods to explain the behavior of large systems made up of many particles. It provides a framework for understanding the irreversibility of natural processes, such as the increase of entropy, through the concept of probability and the laws of thermodynamics.

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