Exploring Semipermutable Subgroups in S4 for Scientists

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In summary, The conversation discusses finding semipermutable subgroups in S4 and the steps to check for this property. The speaker mentions that the normal subgroup is semipermutable and suggests checking subgroups of half the order. They also mention using the website groupprops.subwiki.org for reference. The conversation ends with the speaker expressing their plan to recheck their calculations for any mistakes.
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How i can find the semipermutable subgroups in S4?

i konw that the normal subgroup is semipermutable .
 
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Well S4 has 4! elements, thus any of its subgroups must have order which divide 4!, so we have possible orders 12, 8, 6, 4, 3, 2, 1. I think there's a theorem about subgroups of half the order being normal. I'm not sure if you've done any classifications yet, but there aren't that many groups of order less than 10, you could probably just check each one for being semipermutable.
 
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I had find all subgroups of S4,it is 30 subgroups, and i know the normal subgroup in it.
Normal is A4 and order 4.
But i want to check the rest,,how i can check, ?
and now i should depend on some thing else not normal, the normal role is finished...

i want to learn how to check the semipermubality ??
 
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30 subgroups! That is definitely not correct. The website groupprops.subwiki.org lists 11 subgroups including the trivial group and S4 itself.

I've actually never dealt with the concept of semipermutability myself, the method to check if a subgroup satisfies this property hopefully follows directly from its definition. But we know S4, A4, and the trivial subgroup are all normal in S4. So that leaves you with 8 more to check, so maybe reread the definition of semipermutability and see if you can devise a way to check the others.
 
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Thank you.
But the subgroups is 3o subgroup with 5 conjugacy class, http://groupprops.subwiki.org/wiki/Symmetric_group:S4

I m trying to check it one by one but it will take time,
Do you know the GAP program i had tried to download but i could not any idea,

Thank you
 
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I'm not sure what "Arithmetic Functions of a Counting Nature" exactly means, but I'm pretty sure that is not referring to the number of subgroups of S4, and if it is, then it's wrong, scroll down further and you will see a list of all 11 of them by name.

I don't know the GAP program.
 
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okay, Thank you,
i will do my calculation again
 

FAQ: Exploring Semipermutable Subgroups in S4 for Scientists

What is a semipermutable subgroup in S4?

A semipermutable subgroup in S4 is a subgroup of the symmetric group S4 in which every element commutes with some element of the subgroup. In other words, the subgroup and its elements have a specific relationship with the elements of the symmetric group S4.

How is a semipermutable subgroup in S4 different from a regular subgroup?

A regular subgroup in S4 is a subgroup in which every element commutes with every other element. In contrast, a semipermutable subgroup in S4 only has the property that every element commutes with some element of the subgroup, but not necessarily with every other element.

What is the significance of semipermutable subgroups in S4?

Semipermutable subgroups in S4 have been studied extensively in group theory and have many applications in various branches of mathematics, including algebra and combinatorics. They also have connections to other mathematical structures, such as Latin squares and group factorizations.

Can you give an example of a semipermutable subgroup in S4?

One example of a semipermutable subgroup in S4 is the subgroup generated by the elements (12) and (34). This subgroup consists of the elements (12), (34), (13), (24), (14), (23), and the identity element (1). Each of these elements commutes with at least one other element in the subgroup.

How are semipermutable subgroups in S4 related to other group properties?

Semipermutable subgroups in S4 have connections to other group properties, such as normal subgroups, abelian subgroups, and centralizers. They also have relationships with other concepts in group theory, such as nilpotent and solvable groups.

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