Exploring the Ratio of Successive Thetas in an Undamped and Undriven Pendulum

In summary, the conversation discusses the simple undamped and undriven pendulum and how the angle of rotation, Theta(t), can be expressed in terms of the starting angle using the small angle approximation. The question is what is the ratio of successive thetas if theta is measured in increments of half periods. The website shows that the ratio is constant at 1.0 due to the absence of friction and the pendulum swinging forever.
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fuligni
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hello friends,

I have a question on the simple undamped and undriven pendulum. I see that according to the website:

http://www.gmi.edu/~drussell/Demos/Pendulum/Pendula.html

the angle of rotation, Theta(t), can be expressed in terms of the starting angle using the small angle approximation sin(theta) = theta.

my question is, what is the ratio of successive thetas if we measure theta in increments of half periods ? the website shows:

theta(t) = theta(t=0)*cos(wt+phi)

i am interested in the ratio: theta(t=T)/theta(t=0) = cos(wt+phi)

if we substitute w = sqrt(g/L) and t=T = 2*pi*sqrt(L/g) into the right side of this ratio we get:

ratio = cos(2*pi + phi)

but cos(2*pi) = 1.0.

I don't see where i am going wrong since shouldn't the angle decrease over time until it is zero and the pendulum is stopped.

I am curious to see if the ratio of successive theta's is constant.

thankyou,
chris
 
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The pendulum is UNdamped. No air resistance, no loss of energy. Real pendulums do indeed act like you think -- they stop eventually -- but this is only a theoretical pendulum.
 
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sorry,,
i see that without friction, the pendulum swings forever and the ratio is 1.0 as the equations show.
 

FAQ: Exploring the Ratio of Successive Thetas in an Undamped and Undriven Pendulum

What is an undamped and undriven pendulum?

An undamped and undriven pendulum is a simple pendulum without any external forces acting on it, such as friction or an applied driving force. This means that the pendulum will continue to oscillate indefinitely without losing energy or being influenced by any outside factors.

Why is exploring the ratio of successive thetas important in an undamped and undriven pendulum?

Exploring the ratio of successive thetas allows us to understand the behavior of an undamped and undriven pendulum more deeply. By analyzing the changes in the amplitude and frequency of the pendulum's motion, we can gain insights into the system's natural frequency and stability.

How is the ratio of successive thetas calculated in an undamped and undriven pendulum?

The ratio of successive thetas is calculated by dividing the amplitude of one oscillation by the amplitude of the previous oscillation. This can be done for multiple successive oscillations to observe any patterns or trends in the ratio.

What factors can affect the ratio of successive thetas in an undamped and undriven pendulum?

The ratio of successive thetas can be affected by the length of the pendulum, the mass of the bob, and the initial conditions of the pendulum's motion, such as the amplitude and initial angle. Additionally, any external forces or disturbances can also impact the ratio.

How can the ratio of successive thetas be used to improve the design of an undamped and undriven pendulum?

By studying the ratio of successive thetas, we can determine the natural frequency and stability of the pendulum. This information can be used to optimize the design of the pendulum, such as adjusting the length or mass, to achieve the desired oscillation behavior.

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