Exploring the Spin-Statistics Theorem: Is it a Mathematical Proof or Postulate?

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In summary, the conversation discusses the validity of the spin-statistics theorem and its relation to mathematical proofs and the quantization of two component complex Klein-Gordon fields. The main points include the postulation of transformations for rotations and boosts, the use of Wigner's theory to show that massive spin-s particles carry 2s indices, and the existence of a system of interacting, nonrelativistic, spin-0 fermions. The validity of lsuorant's proof is questioned and it is stated that the spin-0 theorem is trivial. The conversation also mentions the idea that the spin-statistics theorem comes as a necessary part of the mathematical formulation of the theory.
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Is it really a mathematical theorem or more like a "spin-statistics postulate"?

I checked the apparent proof in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spin-statistics_theorem but didn't get very convinced. If two electrons have some arbitrary spatial wave functions, you cannot switch them by rotation in general.

To me it seems, that if one quantisizes a two component complex Klein-Gordon field [itex]\phi\in\mathbb{C}^2[/itex], with appropriately postulated transformations with sigma matrices, one gets a theory of spin-1/2 particles that obey bose-statistics.
 
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I really wonder how you could turn a dublet of complex KG fields into a spin 1/2 field... Hmm...

For a clear, technical and complete exposition of the Pauli- Lueders spin-statistics theorem see any book on axiomatical QFT. Lopuszanski, Bogolyubov, Streater & Wightman, Jost, etc.
 
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dextercioby said:
I really wonder how you could turn a dublet of complex KG fields into a spin 1/2 field... Hmm...

They are not intended to be two independent scalar fields, but transformations

[tex]e^{-i\theta\cdot\sigma/2}[/tex] for rotations

and

[tex]e^{\eta\cdot\sigma/2}[/tex] for boosts

are postulated. This brings the internal angular momentum to the field. Equation of motion is just the Klein-Gordon equation for the both components separately.
 
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Here's an elementary proof: http://arxiv.org/abs/1008.5382

Main points (omitting some subtleties like the massless particles and internal groups):
1) As shown by Wigner, massive spin-s one-particle states carry 2s indices of the SU(2) ("little group") fundamental representation. This is discussed also in some textbooks, although it is not standard material.
2) It is a known mathematical fact that such indices anticommute if they are permuted. I show this in the paper, and it is also mentioned in e.g. the QFT book by M. Srednicki, page 428.
3) Exchanging two one-particle states with such indices involves (2s)^2 permutations, reproducing exactly the phases given by the theorem.

Cheers,
Lauri

P.S. If there is someone who likes the paper and has publications in hep-theory, quant or math-ph, I could use endorsements to submit my other preprints.
 
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I like the proof in Weinberg. Srednicki uses Weinberg's method to show that interacting, relativistic spin-0 particles must be bosons (ch.4).

lsuorant, I don't believe your proof is valid. For spin-0, it is tantamount to assuming that the wavefunction must be even on particle exchange; but this is just what you should be trying to prove! The Berry-Robbins "proof" has the same problem.

Srednicki, in ch.1, constructs a system of interacting, nonrelativistic, spin-0 fermions (see eqs.1.32 and 1.38). Since there is nothing mathematically wrong with this system, its existence demonstrates that relativity must be a necessary ingredient for a proof of the spin-statistics theorem.
 
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lsuorant, I don't believe your proof is valid. For spin-0, it is tantamount to assuming that the wavefunction must be even on particle exchange; but this is just what you should be trying to prove! The Berry-Robbins "proof" has the same problem.

Spin-0 theorem is trivial. It's equivalent saying that the complex numbers commute in products. For quite some time, I thought that locality would be required to argue spin-0 commutation, as non-commutation would immediately violate it. Of course, it's a valid argument, but can be relaxed.

I don't see how Srednicki's example is connected to this. Some people seem to think that if we take a system, quantize it with the wrong relation and do not immediately arrive in a contradiction would imply that the wrong relation is "valid" in that context. That's just funny. I could invent many non-physical relations that do not immediately violate any major principle.

Spin-statistics theorem is just something that comes in the bargain of mathematical formulation of the theory.
 

FAQ: Exploring the Spin-Statistics Theorem: Is it a Mathematical Proof or Postulate?

What is the Spin-Statistics Theorem?

The Spin-Statistics Theorem is a fundamental principle in quantum mechanics that relates the intrinsic spin of a particle to its statistical behavior. It states that particles with integer spin (0, 1, 2, etc.) must follow Bose-Einstein statistics, while particles with half-integer spin (1/2, 3/2, etc.) must follow Fermi-Dirac statistics.

Is the Spin-Statistics Theorem a mathematical proof or postulate?

The Spin-Statistics Theorem is considered a mathematical proof, as it has been rigorously derived from the fundamental principles of quantum mechanics and has been experimentally verified.

How was the Spin-Statistics Theorem discovered?

The Spin-Statistics Theorem was first proposed by physicist Wolfgang Pauli in 1940, as a result of his study on the properties of electrons. It was later formally proven by Julian Schwinger, Sin-Itiro Tomonaga, and Richard Feynman in 1948.

What are the implications of the Spin-Statistics Theorem?

The Spin-Statistics Theorem has significant implications in modern physics, particularly in the study of quantum field theory. It explains the behavior of particles at a fundamental level and has been crucial in the development of theories such as the Standard Model.

Are there any exceptions to the Spin-Statistics Theorem?

While the Spin-Statistics Theorem holds true for most particles in the universe, there are a few exceptions. For example, anyons are particles that have fractional spin and exhibit intermediate statistical behavior between Bose-Einstein and Fermi-Dirac statistics. However, these exceptions are still consistent with the overall principle of the Spin-Statistics Theorem.

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