Exploring the Standing of a Relation: A Journey of Discovery

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In summary: Excited)In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of relations and their subsets. The participants explore an example and try to generalize the fact that if $R$ is a relation, then $R$ is a subset of the Cartesian product of its domain and range. They also discuss the importance of examples in understanding and proving this fact.
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Hello! (Wave)

Could you explain me why the following stands? (Thinking)

If $R$ is a relation, then:
$$R \subset dom R \times rng R \subset fld R \times fld R$$
 
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Consider an example and try to generalize.
 
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Evgeny.Makarov said:
Consider an example and try to generalize.

We could prove it like that:

If $<x,y> \in R$, then $x \in dom(R)$ and $y \in rng(R)$. So, $<x,y> \in dom(R) \times rng(R)$, and therefore, $R \subset dom(R) \times rng(R)$, right? (Thinking)
But, I can't think of an example... (Worried)
 
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evinda said:
If $<x,y> \in R$, then $x \in dom(R)$ and $y \in rng(R)$. So, $<x,y> \in dom(R) \times rng(R)$, and therefore, $R \subset dom(R) \times rng(R)$, right?
Yes, that's correct.
evinda said:
But, I can't think of an example...
It's not like you need to find something that holds only rarely. This fact holds for any $R$. Take $R=\{\langle0,2\rangle,\langle1,3\rangle,\langle0,3\rangle\}$, for example. And once you have a proof, you need examples only for elucidation.
 
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Evgeny.Makarov said:
It's not like you need to find something that holds only rarely. This fact holds for any $R$. Take $R=\{\langle0,2\rangle,\langle1,3\rangle,\langle0,3\rangle\}$, for example. And once you have a proof, you need examples only for elucidation.

Is it in this case: $dom(R)=\{0,1\}$ and $rng(R)=\{2,3\}$ ? Or am I wrong? (Thinking)
 
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evinda said:
Is it in this case: $dom(R)=\{0,1\}$ and $rng(R)=\{2,3\}$ ?
You are right.
 
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Evgeny.Makarov said:
You are right.

And $dom(R) \times rng(R)=\{ <0,2>,<0,3>,<1,2>,<1,3> \}$.
So, we see that $R=\{ <0,2>,<1,3>,<0,3> \} \subset \{ <0,2>,<0,3>,<1,2>,<1,3> \}$, right? (Smile)
 
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Yes.
 
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Evgeny.Makarov said:
Yes.

Nice, thanks a lot! (Clapping)
 
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Thanks...
I'll try it and talk about my thoughts.
 

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